Counterfeit Nickent 4DX Hybrid from Hurricane Golf

[NuclearMike]

I just found out that I received a counterfeit Nickent 4DX hybrid from Hurricane Golf.  People had posted that they are a trustworthy company and yet this happened.  The crown of the club is labeled as "0.4mm Super Thin Titanium Crown".  Titanium is non magnetic yet a magnet sticks to the crown of the club,  I have other 4DX Hybrids purchased on eBay to which a magnet doesn't stick.  The club I received, a 4 hybrid, will hold a magnet directly in the center of the crown even when turned upside down.  Hurricane Golf said that they "sell only original authentic clubs" and offered to refund my money if I sent it back to them AT MY EXPENSE,  I had regripped the club and I'm sure that they won't reimburse me for that. Of course, it's possible that they didn't know what they sold, but the opposite could also be true.  Beware.

[drglew]

So THAT'S why Nickent went out of business ;)

I have no experience with Hurricane Golf whatsoever; however, as Nickent is bankrupt, or at least was bankrupt until being recently bought & revived by Dick's, it would be impossible to verify whether it was genuine.

I guess I'm a little surprised though as I thought most counterfeit clubs tried to copy the big manufacturers, not the "indies", who have a hard enough time selling their brand anyway.  Maybe Nickent's quality control was going downhill as they were heading toward oblivion?

[rcsnake2004]

Its hard to believe this when nickent was going out of business.   I have also bought many products from Hurricane Golf and everything has come back fine and authorized through the main Manufacturers.  I dont believe at all that it would be a counterfeit club.

[jasonhiland1973]

To all Concerned

We do not sell counterfeit golf clubs PERIOD!  The hybrids were bought from the bank that was the trustee when Nickent went broke.  We run 2 businesses out of the same facility.  Diamond Tour Golf and Hurricane Golf.  Look at our rating on ebay and do other research on us and you will find the positive reviews we are striving for.  If we were selling counterfeit clubs (which we don't), one could assume that Taylor Made Nike Callaway etc would have had us shut down by now (since this is our 3rd year) along with me spending the next 5 years in prison.

[Kieran123]

  jasonhiland1973 said:

Originally Posted by jasonhiland1973

To all Concerned

We do not sell counterfeit golf clubs PERIOD!  The hybrids were bought from the bank that was the trustee when Nickent went broke.  We run 2 businesses out of the same facility.  Diamond Tour Golf and Hurricane Golf.  Look at our rating on ebay and do other research on us and you will find the positive reviews we are striving for.  If we were selling counterfeit clubs (which we don't), one could assume that Taylor Made Nike Callaway etc etc would have had us shut down by now (since this is our 3rd year) along with me spending the next 5 years in prison.

Uhhhhh?

[jasonhiland1973]

I'm sorry about that.  I should have proof read the response better but wanted a response up asap.  It's now fixed.  For the record we do not sell counterfeit golf clubs

[RayG]

You might want to change that to read; "...we do not KNOWINGLY sell counterfeit clubs". Since it appears that the allotment you bought from the bank may have had some issues.

[NuclearMike]

Hurricane Golf is refunding my money including return shipping and the money for the new grip which I had installed on the club.  I asked them to check the remaining 4DX 4 hybrids and was told that a magnet did still adhere to them. I was willing to accept a non-counterfeit club in exchange for sending mine back but they don't have any left in the loft I had purchased.  I commend them for doing the right thing but would hope that they don't sell the remaining stock to anyone else.

[bugeye]

I just got a new nickent 4dx 7 wood from another ebay source and a magnet sticks to it just like any of my stainless steel allow woods, however I took it to the range today and it is the best darn 7 wood I've ever hit, as a matter of fact I can't even imagine a better one. It is hard to believe a counterfit club could work so well, hit so far and be so forgiving, but if that is the case do you know where I can get a fake Magnetic Nickent 4DX 4 wood just like it, lol!

[GJBenn85]

Are they made in China?  Just because a magnet sticks to them does not mean they are counterfeit.  China is notorious for substituting materials of legitimate goods in order to cut material and production costs while charging the customer (Nickent) the same amount for the goods.  It's possible their factory did this and Nickent never caught it.

[Clambake]

Maybe the club is genuine and its the magnet that's counterfeit

[bugeye]

Good point about the magnet it's a neodymium magnet also from China!

Perhaps someone that was affiliated with Nickent knows something?

Maybe there were magnetic 4DX faces and non magnetic ones?

Maybe these were prototype 4DX products that never went to market?

Anyway, I don't want my money back, I want a 4 wood just like it for my bag.

[Shorty]

I would very much doubt that anyone made counterfeit nickent clubs. Especially hybrids.

You are opening yourself up to a libel case, OP.

[LankyLefty]

  Shorty said:

Originally Posted by Shorty

I would very much doubt that anyone made counterfeit nickent clubs. Especially hybrids.

You are opening yourself up to a libel case, OP.

Uh not really... Nickent hybrids were well liked when new and the supply of them especially new is dwindling. Quite a lot of people view them as a cheap alternative to more expensive modern clubs but without the downside of having old technology. I would not be surprised at all to see counterfeits of these clubs showing up.

Second to open up the poster to a defamation case, it would have to be proven that the poster made his claim "without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement". The fact that the magnet trick is a well known and on some level accepted method of "research" would in most cases protect the poster even if his research turned out to be incorrect in its conclusion.

It would be Libel if he could not hit it correctly and just assumed it was fake and then went crusading all over the internet claiming that Hurricane golf pedals fakes.

[Topper]

First.....as someone else already stated, there is not  a lot of money to be made counterfitting a minor brand club that was struggling to get a market foothold and ultimately failed to do so.  That seems to be a fair amount of work for little return.

Second.....The magnet test would not necessarily verify a counterfit vs original club.  What if Nickent changed internal weights or laminates to a material that's magnetic?  I'm not sure why those would be placed on the crown but who knows.  That's totally hypothetical but possible, and in the end, the club may still perform very well.

Lastly....Nickent may have made changes to their materials of construction of the club head   Titanium is a paramagnetic material which is a form of magnetism which occurs only in the presence of an externally applied magnetic field (like a magnet).  In most grades of titanium this would be negligible and a magnet would not stick.  However, there are 50 different grades of titanium so it's possible that Nickent used (or switched to) a grade that had a higher "contamination" level of iron or switched to a "Titanium Alloy" that contains a lot of steel alloyed with titanium.  Technically, the latter example shouldn't be referred to as "titanium alloy" but you know how that goes.  Either case could result in a magnet sticking to the crown and would "allow" Nickent marketing people to use the work "titanium" when advertising their clubs.  Again....this is all hypothetical and quite frankly the club could still perform well and as Nickent intended.  Materials engineering is a complicated science.

In the end, you need to really think about what you're saying before you post something that potentially defamatory like that.  You could have posted your situation without naming any particular vendor to solicit feedback.  BTW, I'm not affiliated in any way with the company you mentioned and have never purchased anything from them.

[newtogolf]

Read the original post again:

"I just found out that I received a counterfeit Nickent 4DX hybrid from Hurricane Golf. People had posted that they are a trustworthy company and yet this happened. The crown of the club is labeled as "0.4mm Super Thin Titanium Crown". Titanium is non magnetic yet a magnet sticks to the crown of the club, I have other 4DX Hybrids purchased on eBay to which a magnet doesn't stick. The club I received, a 4 hybrid, will hold a magnet directly in the center of the crown even when turned upside down."

He has another Nickent 4DX hybrid that the magnet doesn't stick to.  While they may have changed materials it's not unreasonable for the OP to believe or question if the club is a fake given he has the same club from the manufacturer that a magnet doesn't stick to and the fact that a magnet shouldn't stick to titanium.   Something doesn't seem right here either the club is a fake or Nickent did something to change the composition of their club face.

  Topper said:

Originally Posted by Topper

First.....as someone else already stated, there is not  a lot of money to be made counterfitting a minor brand club that was struggling to get a market foothold and ultimately failed to do so.  That seems to be a fair amount of work for little return.

Second.....The magnet test would not necessarily verify a counterfit vs original club.  What if Nickent changed internal weights or laminates to a material that's magnetic?  I'm not sure why those would be placed on the crown but who knows.  That's totally hypothetical but possible, and in the end, the club may still perform very well.

Lastly....Nickent may have made changes to their materials of construction of the club head   Titanium is a paramagnetic material which is a form of magnetism which occurs only in the presence of an externally applied magnetic field (like a magnet).  In most grades of titanium this would be negligible and a magnet would not stick.  However, there are 50 different grades of titanium so it's possible that Nickent used (or switched to) a grade that had a higher "contamination" level of iron or switched to a "Titanium Alloy" that contains a lot of steel alloyed with titanium.  Technically, the latter example shouldn't be referred to as "titanium alloy" but you know how that goes.  Either case could result in a magnet sticking to the crown and would "allow" Nickent marketing people to use the work "titanium" when advertising their clubs.  Again....this is all hypothetical and quite frankly the club could still perform well and as Nickent intended.  Materials engineering is a complicated science.

In the end, you need to really think about what you're saying before you post something that potentially defamatory like that.  You could have posted your situation without naming any particular vendor to solicit feedback.  BTW, I'm not affiliated in any way with the company you mentioned and have never purchased anything from them.

[NuclearMike]

Before I ever posted this information I found the company's name on a list of companies known to sell fakes. After posting another member posted that he shouldn't have had them added to the list.  Believe me, I wanted the club to be genuine.  I did my due diligence on the magnetic properties of titanium before I posted anything.  I also said that they were terrific in taking care of me after the fact and even paid for the new oversize grip that I had put on the club.  I have no quarrel with Hurricane Golf.  They stood behind the sale and I believe that they honestly didn't know that whey they sold wasn't as advertised.  I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.

[Topper]

I won't argue that it couldn't be fake.  I'm only saying that a magnet test is not necessarily be conclusive of counterfit vs original even if it shows a change in the materials of construction.  Manufacturers do this sort of thing all the time trying to get the same (or nearly the same) performance from less expensive materials.  That's not necessarily a bad thing for consumers because it keeps prices down.  It's only a real ripoff when the performance is not as good or better than the original material when we are led to believe that it is.

  newtogolf said:

Originally Posted by newtogolf

Read the original post again:

"I just found out that I received a counterfeit Nickent 4DX hybrid from Hurricane Golf. People had posted that they are a trustworthy company and yet this happened. The crown of the club is labeled as "0.4mm Super Thin Titanium Crown". Titanium is non magnetic yet a magnet sticks to the crown of the club, I have other 4DX Hybrids purchased on eBay to which a magnet doesn't stick. The club I received, a 4 hybrid, will hold a magnet directly in the center of the crown even when turned upside down."

He has another Nickent 4DX hybrid that the magnet doesn't stick to.  While they may have changed materials it's not unreasonable for the OP to believe or question if the club is a fake given he has the same club from the manufacturer that a magnet doesn't stick to and the fact that a magnet shouldn't stick to titanium.   Something doesn't seem right here either the club is a fake or Nickent did something to change the composition of their club face.