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Tiger's future...cautiously optimisitc?

MrElculver2424

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MrElculver2424 Well Established Member

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Tiger was once magical, it's like he wasn't even human. Every time we thought he would fall, he turned around and kept climbing. A major swing change in 2003 and 2004, and he was even more dominant from 2005 on.

Don't get me wrong...I'm definitely worried about the future now because of his health problems, new swing, and now new caddy. I'm being cautiously optimistic.

But I believe in Tiger and believe he can become dominant again. He keeps saying in interviews "My best golf is still ahead of me", and while I doubt that, I, and all of us, may be wrong.

I hate how people say he doesn't have the mental toughness anymore and it's all in his head. It's not. He's got balance in his life now and can live in peace. He's past the divorce and everything and he's happy outside of golf. It's his physical swing and health issues, not his mental state of mind.

I'm not counting him out. He's the best golfer ever and who knows...maybe he'll win 8 tournaments a year again and pass Nicklaus with a new swing, caddy, and overcoming knee and leg injuries. He's the best player ever and he had done things we had never seen before. I doubt he'll ever be as dominant again, but honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

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Originally Posted by MrElculver2424

. . . I'm not counting him out . . .


I read that as something else at first. My thought was, "It sounds like you are!".

Anyway, carry on . . .

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YAWN

Edit: Nicklaus is the 'best golfer ever' - not Tiger

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MrElculver2424 Well Established Member

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Originally Posted by sean_miller

I read that as something else at first. My thought was, "It sounds like you are!".

Anyway, carry on . . .

That's why I said I'm cautiously optimistic.

Carry on about what?

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Originally Posted by Kieran123

YAWN

Edit: Nicklaus is the 'best golfer ever' - not Tiger



No he's not. He has the most major wins ever and probably will for a very long time, but the most dominant and best overall golfer is Tiger.

And your yawning is not very funny to me.

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deasy55 Great Member

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Hasn't this topic been done to death?

How do you know this?

Originally Posted by MrElculver2424

I hate how people say he doesn't have the mental toughness anymore and it's all in his head. It's not. He's got balance in his life now and can live in peace. He's past the divorce and everything and he's happy outside of golf. It's his physical swing and health issues, not his mental state of mind.


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Originally Posted by MrElculver2424

No he's not. He has the most major wins ever and probably will for a very long time, but the most dominant and best overall golfer is Tiger.

And your yawning is not very funny to me.



Errrr....so he has more majors, more PGA Tour Wins and he's not a better golfer?

I am a fan of Tiger - but he is not the greatest golfer ever

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Correct. He won 18 majors and also finished 2nd 19 times. 46 top 3 finishes in majors speaks for itself. That's DOMINATING

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Edit: Nicklaus is the 'best golfer ever' - not Tiger




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Originally Posted by Kieran123

Errrr....so he has more majors, more PGA Tour Wins and he's not a better golfer?

I am a fan of Tiger - but he is not the greatest golfer ever

Tiger's only 35. He hasn't played as many years as Jack yet. Of course Jack is better when it comes to total wins and major wins, but the best pure golfer, most naturally talented golfer of all-time? Absolutely Tiger, whether he catches Jack or not.

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Originally Posted by deasy55

Correct. He won 18 majors and also finished 2nd 19 times. 46 top 3 finishes in majors speaks for itself. That's DOMINATING



And you posted a message a few days ago with your top golfers of All-time, and had Tiger as #1 above Jack.

I didn't say Jack WASN'T dominating...I don't know why you people make things up and act like I said them. I just said Tiger has been extremely dominating. I didn't say anything about Jack.

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Originally Posted by MrElculver2424

Tiger's only 35. He hasn't played as many years as Jack yet. Of course Jack is better when it comes to total wins and major wins, but the best pure golfer, most naturally talented golfer of all-time? Absolutely Tiger, whether he catches Jack or not.

Tiger has himself claimed he is not naturally talented. He has golfed since he was 2.

Naturally talented are guys like John Daly. Who won without doing anything except drinking and smoking


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Originally Posted by Kieran123

Tiger has himself claimed he is not naturally talented. He has golfed since he was 2.

Naturally talented are guys like John Daly. Who won without doing anything except drinking and smoking


Don't get all technical. You know what I mean. Maybe it wasn't there from birth, but growing up? Yes, the purest naturally talented golfer of all-time. But a lot of credit is due to his dad, who helped him gain the mental toughness and skills.

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Did I? Slip up perhaps...

Why do you read all my comments (and apparently memorise them) if you have me blocked? Very strange...

And I didn't say you said that Jack didn't dominate....I wasn't even quoting something you said when I stated that Jack dominated.

Originally Posted by MrElculver2424

And you posted a message a few days ago with your top golfers of All-time, and had Tiger as #1 above Jack.

I didn't say Jack WASN'T dominating...I don't know why you people make things up and act like I said them. I just said Tiger has been extremely dominating. I didn't say anything about Jack.




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Originally Posted by deasy55

Did I? Slip up perhaps...

Why do you read all my comments (and apparently memorise them) if you have me blocked?   Very strange...

And I didn't say you said that Jack didn't dominate....I wasn't even quoting something you said when I stated that Jack dominated.

I told you a few days I don't have you blocked anymore...we worked out our disagreements. Have you been forgetting to take your memory pill lately?
And it wasn't a slip up...you even said you had him as #1 because you "never had the chance to see Jack play." You're just changing it up now so you can disagree with me.

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Well I do have a mental condition that can give me poor memory, so I will blame that.

And yes, I looked up that thread there and it appears to me (I can't really remember what my thoughts were when i made my top 15) that I couldn't really decide between the 2. It goes in twists and turns with me. Besides, I'm pretty sure you had me blocked when I posted in that thread anyway.........

Originally Posted by MrElculver2424

I told you a few days I don't have you blocked anymore...we worked out our disagreements. Have you been forgetting to take your memory pill lately?

And it wasn't a slip up...you even said you had him as #1 because you "never had the chance to see Jack play." You're just changing it up now so you can disagree with me.




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Don't get all technical. You know what I mean. Maybe it wasn't there from birth, but growing up? Yes, the purest naturally talented golfer of all-time. But a lot of credit is due to his dad, who helped him gain the mental toughness and skills.


But, that just not true. Tiger was always about the range and constantly tweeking his swing, like Ben Hogan.  Bobby Jones and especially Nicklaus were much better examples of naturally talented golfers than Tiger, by his own admission. Watch some old video of Nicklaus from the early 60s - no one dared to try to swing like that before (hands to the sky, flying right elbow, piston-like leg drive) because they didn't think it was possible.

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Originally Posted by deasy55

Well I do have a mental condition that can give me poor memory, so I will blame that.

And yes, I looked up that thread there and it appears to me (I can't really remember what my thoughts were when i made my top 15) that I couldn't really decide between the 2. It goes in twists and turns with me. Besides, I'm pretty sure you had me blocked when I posted in that thread anyway.........


I may have had you blocked when you posted that message, but I didn't see it until days after--when I had you unblocked. It's okay.

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Originally Posted by Elvisliveson

But, that just not true. Tiger was always about the range and constantly tweeking his swing, like Ben Hogan.  Bobby Jones and especially Nicklaus were much better examples of naturally talented golfers than Tiger, by his own admission. Watch some old video of Nicklaus from the early 60s - no one dared to try to swing like that before (hands to the sky, flying right elbow, piston-like leg drive) because they didn't think it was possible.


I should have never used the word natural. What I meant was his game was always the purest ever. The changes he made came naturally because he wanted to become better.

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