How far can the ball roll on taking relief

[rustyredcab]

Originally Posted by Dormie1360

You have the first part nailed.

As to the second question, through the green you must drop as close to the original spot as possible,  after that the 7 rules above apply.  Greens would be a place, a tee shot can be re-teed.anywhere in the teeing area..

20-5. Making Next Stroke From Where Previous Stroke Made

When a player elects or is required to make his next stroke from where a previous stroke was made, he must proceed as follows:

(a) On the Teeing Ground: The ball to be played must be played from within the teeing ground. It may be played from anywhere within theteeing ground and may be teed.

(b) Through the Green: The ball to be played must be dropped and when dropped must first strike a part of the coursethrough the green.

(c) In a Hazard: The ball to be played must be dropped and when dropped must first strike a part of the course in the hazard.

(d) On the Putting Green: The ball to be played must be placed on theputting green.

As near as possible means what exactly? If the original shot was in a divot, do I need to drop into that now larger divot? Do I get a club length? And how much roll out is too much in this case? Again two clubs?

If I was inches off the fairway on the "previous" stoke, need my drop hit off the fairway too? If I missed the rough would I need to re-drop?

[Rulesman]

When holding your arm out make the best attempt that you can to hold the ball above the spot and let go. After that, it's pot luck. As was the original spot.

[zeg]

Originally Posted by rustyredcab

As near as possible means what exactly? If the original shot was in a divot, do I need to drop into that now larger divot? Do I get a club length? And how much roll out is too much in this case? Again two clubs?

If I was inches off the fairway on the "previous" stoke, need my drop hit off the fairway too? If I missed the rough would I need to re-drop?

You're making this too complicated! It means just what it sounds like. You need to make an honest effort to drop the ball just where it was before--that location, or your best estimate of it, is your target for the drop. It doesn't have to land on the same spot, but you have to try. If you were in a divot, you're trying to drop it to hit the divot. If you were inches off the fairway, you need to try to drop it inches off the fairway.

No club length for the drop, when they grant you that they specify it. You get the universal 2-club lengths, not nearer the hole, for the roll out. Once you drop the ball legally, it is in play, so you don't get a re-drop unless it rolls too far, rolls nearer the hole than your target, or you dropped in the wrong place.

The dropping procedure is, as far as I know off the top of my head, always exactly the same. The only difference from rule to rule is the location that is your target.

[Slim from SF]

Beautiful, thank you.  ~Slim

Originally Posted by Dormie1360

It's under Rule 20-2c  When to Re Drop.  It helps to memorize these 7 re drops.

c. When to Re-Drop

A dropped ball must be re-dropped, without penalty, if it:

(vi) rolls and comes to rest more than two club-lengths from where it first struck a part of the course; or

(vii)

[rustyredcab]

Sorry to be so dense about this. When my opponent takes a drop near a hazard or standing water or GUR, I know if the drop was legal and when he needs to re-drop. On a "replay shot" drop, is it really about "trying" to drop where the first shot was and there is no objective amount that requires a re-drop?

I understand that I should try to hit that spot. When is my effort not good enough and therefore compels me to re-drop?

[Dormie1360]

I think anyone holding a ball at arm's length and trying to hit a spot can usually hit the ground within 6 inches of the spot.  After that, as long as the ball does not roll to a spot that's not allowed by 20-2c the ball is in play.

I'm sure every player on tour that has to drop under 20-5 is trying to just miss his divot.....but just because the ball missed the divot when it hit the ground, doesn't mean it can't roll into the divot.  Conversely, a ball hitting the divot could just as easily roll out.  As Rulesman said, it's luck.

The other thing that I would mention  is that even if you are estimating the previous spot, you have to pick a spot.  Once you do, that becomes THE SPOT for applying 20-2c.....especially 20-2c (vii)(a).

[luu5]

Originally Posted by Dormie1360

I'm sure every player on tour that has to drop under 20-5 is trying to just miss his divot.....but just because the ball missed the divot when it hit the ground, doesn't mean it can't roll into

In perfect world the divot would start in front of the spot, i.e. closer to hole. So by dropping at the spot and ball rolling into divot would cause re-drop.