If you live in the Chicago Area, Do not get fitted by Surestix

[chicagogolf]

They will rip you off with their cheap shafts and "flat line frequency" fitting. It's not worth the money. I did the fitting and bought into the "technology". The "technology" is making it so all the shafts from Driver to PW flex the same. You might say to yourself, "this is stupid. of course all my clubs flex the same. They're all S300s or 6.0". Not true. The PW shaft is stiffer than the 4-iron shaft after you are done butt trimming it. But "flat line frequency" technology makes it so all the shafts flex the same. It's not worth the price of admission...trust me. Your game will not improve enough to justify paying $1800 for new shafts. And they won't tell you who makes the shaft because the shafts are of very poor quality. If you take the grip off the graphite shafts, you will see they are made in Korea. The steel shafts they use brake very easily, so if you have a temper and like to slam clubs after a bad shot, be prepared to spend spend spend. They don't use launch monitors so you can't see if you are actually hitting the ball better. It's based totally on feel. Lastly, I had the frequencies independently checked and none of them matched. Every club is supposed to have the same CPM number, but mine don't. Stay away!

[johnclayton1982]

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It's not worth the price of admission...trust me. Your game will not improve enough to justify paying $1800 for new shafts.

They don't use launch monitors so you can't see if you are actually hitting the ball better. It's based totally on feel.

And they won't tell you who makes the shaft because the shafts are of very poor quality

Let me get this straight: a 1.7 capper bought $1800 worth of custom shafts without a launch monitor or range fitting and without knowing the identity of the shaft-maker?

Hm.  I hate scammers as much as the next guy, but something doesn't add up here.

[showtime583]

Doesn't smell right to me either... I've heard great things about ClubChampion golf located in the city... I've had the same Titleist DCI irons since 1998... Getting close to upgrade time!

[Harmonious]

Originally Posted by chicagogolf

Your game will not improve enough to justify paying $1800 for new shafts. The steel shafts they use brake very easily, so if you have a temper and like to slam clubs after a bad shot, be prepared to spend spend spend.

You spent $1800 on brand new shafts, then slammed them into the ground hard enough to snap them?  You're right, you shouldn't have bought them.

[chicagogolf]

there is a range fitting. they have nine 9 irons (each with a different frequency), nine 5 irons, and nine drivers. at some point, the frequency that feels best with the 9 iron will match the 5 iron and driver. You hit until you find the frequency that produces the desired ball flight. but there is no launch monitor. and i don't care what anyone's handicap is, good golfers will do anything within in the rules to get what they might think is an advantage.

in regards to club champion, they do a standard fitting, not "flat line frequency" fitting. i'm sure club champion is great. but the one has nothing to do with the other. club champion will fit you with tapper tipped shafts. Surestix and "flat line frequency" uses parallel tipped shafts. do you know the difference?

as far as breaking clubs, no one has ever hit a bad shot and slammed their club into the ground out of frustration? i can tell you after playing golf for 20 years, the last 10 using project x shafts, i have never broken a club from slamming it into the ground until i got these shafts. i've broken clubs over my knee and against trees but never from slamming it into the ground. so far out of this set, 2 shafts have bent.

Listen...I'm just offering a word of caution about these shafts and this fitting. this company says all your shafts will operate with the same frequency. mine do not and i'm having a heck of a time trying to get my money back.

[Harmonious]

Originally Posted by chicagogolf

i've broken clubs over my knee and against trees but never from slamming it into the ground. so far out of this set, 2 shafts have bent.

Again, I'll ask the question: Knowing your proclivity for abusing your equipment, why on earth would you spend $1800 on new shafts? Fortunately for you, money doesn't seem to be an issue, but it does seem odd that you would spend that amount.

[mlf16507]

Cam you say Prozac!!!!

[Precis1on]

I was fitted at Club Champion. I thought they did a great job (Indoors Launch Monitor). If you get your money back, go there. You'll leave with money to spare (probably).

Also, I highly doubt you will find another place in the Chicago region with the shaft combos and clubhead combos that you can test drive. For Irons I tested KBS, TT, ProjectX, Nippon, and others. For Drivers, I went through many many shafts before deciding. If you have the money to spend, go get fitted there. I'm about ready to go back again, my swing speed has increased from under 100 mph last year to about 107, and my butt-soft clubs are feeling a bit too soft. That might not be true, but I realized this at a PING demo when I hit the i20 with a Tour stiff Project X Black that the stiffness felt better, so I may head back.

As for shafts flexing the "same", it's all dependent on how you load each club. You don't load a PW the same way you load a 3i. In most cases, you want the frequency/stiffness to be higher in your scoring clubs for accuracy (given that you can load them properly). I would be screwed if I was expected to swing a 3i with the same frequency as my PW.

Taper-tipped shafts usually don't require tip trimming, and there's an argument that they feel better. I don't know, I've always used taper-tipped shafts so I have no basis of comparison (at least with what I remember). Next time I test drive some irons, I'll ask for a parallel shaft as well and pay attention this time.

[chicagogolf]

i wouldn't expect a $100 steel shaft to break so easily. I've never in my life had a problem with DGs or PX. Throw'em, Slam'em just the same and they didn't break. Before the surestix shafts, the only time a shaft broke in my hands was against a tree or over my knee. and don't tell me none of you have ever hit a ball in the water on a par 3, and then standing there, slammed the club into the ground out of frustration....

bottom line...

if you get fitted with "flat line frequency" shafts meaning your shafts will operate on one frequency (ie 290), not a sliding scale like most shafts, get em checked a few months later. guarantee they are no longer that one number. this is not to be confused with frequency matched. if you have 6.0 PX shafts, your PW shaft is slightly stiffer than your 3-iron shaft. "flat line frequency" corrects this giving all clubs the same flex.

[MisterE]

why on earth would you buy a $100 steel shaft?

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by MisterE

why on earth would you buy a $100 steel shaft?

I'm curious about that too.  You can get Dynamic Gold's on Golfsmith for $15 a piece.

[clubchamp]

Am I missing something driver to pw are all the same flex? They wouldn't remotely weigh the same and the lengths would all be different so what is the purpose of having the exact same flex across the board? I'm sure there is some type of "technology" behind it but I don't think it would be the correct way to build a set of clubs.

[Motley01]

My question is, why are you throwing your clubs into the ground after a bad shot?

Your a 1.7HC and you hit bad shots? Funny as hell man. Is that you Woody?

Chill out dude, golf is supposed to be fun right.

Oh and I don't agree that they ripped you off. YOU BROKE YOU OWN SHAFTS!

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by clubchamp

Am I missing something driver to pw are all the same flex? They wouldn't remotely weigh the same and the lengths would all be different so what is the purpose of having the exact same flex across the board? I'm sure there is some type of "technology" behind it but I don't think it would be the correct way to build a set of clubs.

Maybe the longer shafts get progressively thinner so they weigh the same as the shorter ones.  Not sure if this is possible, but it would explain the breaking.

[Motley01]

Originally Posted by chicagogolf

as far as breaking clubs, no one has ever hit a bad shot and slammed their club into the ground out of frustration? i can tell you after playing golf for 20 years, the last 10 using project x shafts, i have never broken a club from slamming it into the ground until i got these shafts. i've broken clubs over my knee and against trees but never from slamming it into the ground. so far out of this set, 2 shafts have bent.

No never in all the years do I ever slam my clubs into the ground. I take care of my expensive equipment.

And shame on you for doing so, this is a gentlemens game. You're watching too much Tiger.

[chicagogolf]

after 6 months playing with a set of shafts that are advertised as "one number" meaning the frequency is the same from club to club through the entire set, i found out my set is not as advertised. i have requested a refund and the company that assembled the clubs refused my request. they offered to fix the clubs but i have already played with them for 6 months and they would literally have to redo every club. i paid $1850. how do i get my money back? any lawyers out there in the chicago area? i can get you and 2 others on kemper, olympia, bob o link, maybe medina, no charge at the glen.

[mosnas]

Wait you first complained about how these shafts were garbage and how you broke one during a round from slamming it on the ground about 2 months ago.  Then you got refitted for shafts that were $50 more and claiming to be the same thing? Lawyer isn't what you need common sense is what you need.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by mosnas

Wait you first complained about how these shafts were garbage and how you broke one during a round from slamming it on the ground about 2 months ago.  Then you got refitted for shafts that were $50 more and claiming to be the same thing? Lawyer isn't what you need common sense is what you need.

I thought the thread sounded familiar, but a search for "$1850" didn't turn up the other thread. "Threads started" did so I've merged them. Thanks.