titleist AP1 irons?

[mswings]

would the ap1 irons be okay for higher handicappers?

your thoughts on this versus say ping g20, tm rbz

[meenman]

I have the 1st years version and I have no problems with them (although the 4 iron is being replaced with a 4 hybrid for a little while longer)

[PhillyMac]

If your a 15-20 handicapper like your profile says, you will be fine with the AP1's. I just bought the 712 AP1's, after trying the G20's, JPX800Pro's, R11's, i20's, RAZR's.....etc. The AP1's were so much more consistent, with the i20's a close second. You can't go wrong with the AP1's! Very solid club, very forgiving and the ball comes off like a rocket! Good luck!

[Gregoryhouse]

Ben Curtis won the Valero Texas Open with AP1 irons in his bag.....

[Golfguy21]

The AP1's are a nice set of clubs I would pick those in second to the JPX 800's that I am currently playing. I also like the Ping G20's which I hit the other day and I am thinking about trading the current set in for. As for the AP1's they have a great feel to them and they are very forgiving the only reason that I didn't buy this is I'm not a titleist fan.

[mswings]

Update!!!! Ok so I rode To get fitted this weekend about 4 hours away. And of course I didn't call for a appointment. So I rode all the way home not getting fitted. I didn't know the guy moved and started working for a private club. I pulled up to his store and vacant!!! Well so still not fitted yet, so I chalk it up to my mistake for not calling before I went. When I went to the private club he handed me a card and said call me when I come back that way. And that was it. So here I am. I'm not mad that's just business and it was my fault. Next time I will call to check and see if appointment is needed. So lately I have hit a good many more clubs. I went there for the full titleist fitting from driver to Scotty Cameron putter. While I was on the rode I picked up the latest golf digest I think it was and read about the titleist clubs. It always said they aren't for the faint of heart. So I started thinking maybe I should stay with ping. The ap1 to me felt just as chunky as the ping g20. So I thought why not just stick with the ping!

[mswings]

I hit both pig and titliest drivers and both stayed under 3000 revs on ball spin. With I I remember correctly about 14 degree launch angles on a 9.5 degree driver. Both stiff shaft and carry pretty close to each other. I like the g20 irons and even thought about gettin i20 from 8-pw and g20 in 6,7 and adding g20 hybrids of 4,5. Then the g20 4 or 5 wood and g 20 driver and new ping karsten putter with smooth face so I'm trying to decide between a titleist full bag from driver to putter or ping full bag from drive to putter!

[mswings]

I have a ping fitter here in town but it's not on a outdoor range. It's in a store with launch monitors. Is there anythig else I need to know about for the ping fitting?

[mswings]

I also have pictures of drivers with ball imprint on the sticky paper for reference of the ball striking if I new how to post the pics I would?

[Golfguy21]

There isn't anything that you need to know about ping. If you go to their website you can watch videos on how they fit people. When you go to a fitting just make sure they do the same process.

[WUTiger]

Mswings,

The 712-AP1s and G20s both rank as Super Game Improvement in the Maltby Playability Factor categories - quite user-friendly. (Matlby uses six categories, vs. Golf Digest's three)

You mentioned both clubs "felt chunky." Not sure what you mean here...

If they felt heavy, what shafts did they have in them? If fitter has an OEM fitting cart, make sure you try different shaft combinations to find the one which works best for you. Shaft weight is a big consideration.

Titleist offers as standard steel shafts: TT Dynamic Gold S300 weighs 127 grams with a low launch, while the TT Dynamic Golf XP weighs 117 grams with a medium launch. A couple of 63 gram or less graphites offer a high launch. Also, upgrade NS Pro steel shafts can come in about 100 grams.

Ping offers shaft varieties too, and I hit several different shafts in the i20 and G20 heads this January at a golf expo. Weight makes a big difference in how smoothly you get through the ball. Anything below 90 grams was too light - I was all over the place on control.

As TST posters keep saying, make sure you get the right shaft.

[nickel_aTm]

I was fitted for some AP1's (712) a couple months back.  At the fitting, I hit multiple head and shaft combinations with AP1's, Ping G20's, Callaway RZR's, Burner 2.0's, and some Cleveland iron.  I didn't expect it, but for me anyway, the AP1's were the irons I hit most consistently.  I've played 12-15 rounds with them and have no complaints.

[mswings]

The local golf shop has the ping cart fitting system. I was gonna go there tomorrow. I'm not traveling 4 hours again for the titleist fitting. Although I feel it might be better out on the range and using monitors. But I'm going here in town to look and ge fitted for either the I20's or g 20's whatever he thinks Is best. Im sure he has the different shafts to hit.

[dannyjth]

Seeming as people in this thread seem to have the ap1's I have a question. I recently purchased some second hand ap1 710s from a reputable outlet and the serial number only exist on one of the irons is this correct?I have the 4-pw set

[GaijinGolfer]

Originally Posted by WUTiger

Mswings,

The 712-AP1s and G20s both rank as Super Game Improvement in the Maltby Playability Factor categories - quite user-friendly. (Matlby uses six categories, vs. Golf Digest's three)

I wouldnt put any stock in what Maltby says.  A lot of his ratings make no sense whatsoever.

[WUTiger]

Originally Posted by TitleistWI

I wouldnt put any stock in what Maltby says.  A lot of his ratings make no sense whatsoever.

It makes better sense if you understand just what Maltby is offering. His Maltby Playability Factor (MPF) comes from a six-variable math equation. Testers analyze a 6-iron head and measure things such as Vertical Center of Gravity and Horizontal Center of Gravity, and compute the user-friendliness of rating various iron-head designs. Maltby is upfront about this, and cautions that the MPF does not take into account the type of shaft used in the club

Maltby uses six seven of playability, while Golf Digest has collapsed golf irons into three (based on market niche rather than an equation). Here are Maltby's categories:

MPF gives golfers a rough estimate of the playability of different models of irons and woods. When testing iron sets, a 25-HDCP player likely would get better results from Titleist AP1s or Callaway RazrXF (MPFs = SGI) than from AP2s or Callaway Razr.R Musclebacks (MPFs = conventional).

Historic analysis of irons which were top sellers in prior eras (Ping Eye2, Tommy Armour 845) show that they tended to have very high MPF scores. This ties to natural selection of sorts - players found irons which worked for them. Prior to the 1980s, cosmetic factors mattered more than physics in golf club design. If Ben Hogan, for instance, played well with a certain iron model, then it must be good.

To check out the MPF ratings of irons from recent years, go to this site: http://ralphmaltby.com/

Edit: added MPF category chart

[The Tin Man]

Originally Posted by dannyjth

Seeming as people in this thread seem to have the ap1's I have a question. I recently purchased some second hand ap1 710s from a reputable outlet and the serial number only exist on one of the irons is this correct?I have the 4-pw set

That's correct. However, if the clubs are ordered from Tileist as an incomplete set then every club will have a serial number,

[dannyjth]

Originally Posted by The Tin Man

That's correct. However, if the clubs are ordered from Tileist as an incomplete set then every club will have a serial number,

My set has the serial on the 6 iron from what I've read this is correct...well i bloody hope so