snap hooking the ball off the tee

[EverythingGolf]

Originally Posted by Adam Young

for sure the face is closed

If you make the path go more left, the ball is either just going to stay there, or the clubface will go a little more left relatively - resulting in a pull rather than a hook.

E.g if his stats are

path +5,

clubface -5

making him change his path will lead to stats such as

path 0

clubface -5 (or worse)

ball is still going left. Sure his path may be a problem, but it is not the reason for his left shots. He doesnt look overly in to out to me (although almost impossible to tell with just DL video, I have a good instinct for it)

Did you read his post after mine!!! He said his ball starts straight then goes left. Path would be in to out with a square face to the TARGET. Yes I know the face is closed to the PATH. The ball will only go left if he is turning his hands over through impact.

[Adam Young]

Originally Posted by EverythingGolf

Did you read his post after mine!!! He said his ball starts straight then goes left. Path would be in to out with a square face to the TARGET. Yes I know the face is closed to the PATH. The ball will only go left if he is turning his hands over through impact.

Ok, I will rephrase

If you make the path go more left, the ball is either just going to stay there, or the clubface will go a little more left relatively - resulting in a pull rather than a hook.

E.g if his stats are

path +5,

clubface -1

the ball will start straight and then curve left (what he is experiencing).

making him change his path will lead to stats such as

path 0

clubface -1 (or worse)

I do agree that this would be more consistent than before - but the ball would still be going left. Also, this is unlikely to happen, if you were to move the path more left, it is likely to pull the clubface more left too - maybe not as much (sometimes more, depends how you do it and what is going on mentally). you would probably end up with stats such as path 0 clubface -3.

Add to this the fact that a path change can be much more disruptive to a player, as it involves the co-ordinated efforts of many different muscles and the entire kinematic sequence.... I would only change the path if the player has a longer term bigger goal and if they havent already reached their potential with the swing they have. After looking at his swing on video, path doesnt look awful (although I understand path on video is not easy to see, you can get a good jist of it).

Regardless, changing the face can be much less disruptive, be much quicker to ingrain, and doesn't require that the player learn a complete new movement as such. This may result in stats more like

Path +5

Clubface +2/3

a nice draw onto the target.

Without arguing about which advice is best - im sure that a combination of both will work well, although if you are having dramatic problems like now - snapping it - you need to understand clubface control as this is going to be the defining factor on whether or not you can get around the course with the movement pattern you have right now. This is what all good players have understood to some level.

So my advice is - long term goal of changing and neutralising path, although check out on a trackman to see what is happening.

Short term goal - get the clubface under control and turn that snap hook into a gentle draw. Learn clubface control as a skill, not a technique as such, as you will need it for the rest of your life. It is the biggest difference from swing to swing, and the main influence on direction overall.

[iacas]

His path isn't even +5. This is a clubface control issue IMO. [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/image/id/278454/width/640/height/388][IMG]http://thesandtrap.com/image/id/278454/width/640/height/388[/IMG][/URL] Now, if he's lined up right of his target, the ball could easily be starting at his target and curving left. So, two things need to happen here: [LIST=1] [*] Line up parallel left or even a tiny bit left of the target (feel won't be real here - left will feel WAY left). [*] Clubface needs to be open more at impact. We don't have a good look at the grip (it seems to border on slightly strong in the left hand, but not a bunch). I'd simply point it more right at setup. [/LIST]

[Adam Young]

Originally Posted by iacas

His path isn't even +5. This is a clubface control issue IMO.

Now, if he's lined up right of his target, the ball could easily be starting at his target and curving left. So, two things need to happen here:

Line up parallel left or even a tiny bit left of the target (feel won't be real here - left will feel WAY left).

Clubface needs to be open more at impact. We don't have a good look at the grip (it seems to border on slightly strong in the left hand, but not a bunch). I'd simply point it more right at setup.

couldn't agree more

[EverythingGolf]

Originally Posted by iacas

His path isn't even +5. This is a clubface control issue IMO.

Now, if he's lined up right of his target, the ball could easily be starting at his target and curving left. So, two things need to happen here:

Line up parallel left or even a tiny bit left of the target (feel won't be real here - left will feel WAY left).

Clubface needs to be open more at impact. We don't have a good look at the grip (it seems to border on slightly strong in the left hand, but not a bunch). I'd simply point it more right at setup.

It does look like a hands issue in that swing. He did say with the driver that the ball starts straight then goes left.

[Oneplaneswing]

Thanks for this.  I played yesterday, 9/30/13 and the gentle right to left became a snap hook about half way through the round.  To say it got a little frustrating would be an understatement.  I tried to 'reboot' my swing without much success and went right to the range subsequent to conclusion and will follow that up with a practice session today, taking your suggestion with me

This is the hardest game I have ever tried to play.

Thanks

[knotanut]

Hello duffedit,

Your swing looks good.

What do you, duffedit. Mean by Plane ?

Thanks in advance for your reply.

[Akhil Puri]

i like whats going on here !! i too am snap hooking the driver like n0bodys business a low lying hooker if you must :P my irons and 4 rescue is ok, and i agree with everyone who feels that the face is closed at impact or way closed wrt to swing path.   would really appreciate it someone could tell me what else is off other than the fact that im closed at impact ... whats a good drill to prevent the driver from turning in my hands during transition ?

sorry for the poor quality.

[Dr Bogey5]

What's your 3 wood doing?