Baseball HOF Vote; Nobody Gets In.

[newtogolf]

Good thing the NBA HOF doesn't restrict access based on illegal drug use, there wouldn't be many players in it.

Originally Posted by meenman

I just hope none of the pro pot-head crowd is anti PEDs

[CanuckAaron]

Originally Posted by 14ledo81

Regardless of who amongst us would or would not have taken PEDS  (I might have if it meant the difference between me playing or not), it does not make it right.  Just because the temptation and reward are great, that does not justify doing wrong.

I have a very laissez-faire attitude when it comes to "illegal" drug use and I am sure that few if any people on here would agree with me but I have a hard time accepting that certain drugs are wrong while others are ok, it is very arbitrary. And to my other point, Bonds never tested positive so wetherr it is wrong or right does not necessarily apply.

Originally Posted by geauxforbroke

Still not apples to apples. At all. You can't draw a parallel between baseball and golf. Tom Watson dang near won The Open Championship at 59. How many 59 year old power hitters are there in the majors?

That was one weekend, not an entire 162 game season and like you said dang near won , not the same as winning.

[dsc123]

I'd be interested to know what you guys who think the juicers should be allowed in think about Lance Armstrong?  Do you think he should be allowed to keep his titles and medals?  Everybody in that sport doped.

[CanuckAaron]

Originally Posted by dsc123

I'd be interested to know what you guys who think the juicers should be allowed in think about Lance Armstrong?  Do you think he should be allowed to keep his titles and medals?  Everybody in that sport doped.

Yes I do he think he should be allowed to keep them. In his interview he even stated that it did not feel like cheating because doping actually created a level playing field for him because it was so common. It says something when the IOC is not even going to give someone else the bronze medal even though they took it away from him. For the record I am not saying that makes it right, just how it is. I am not sure morality has a place in professional sports any more.

I cannot believe that some people are surprised by this. If most of the riders in the sport are juicing, the guy who wins seven titles is definitely taking something, seems like common sense. Also everyone is shocked he lied, what else was he going to do? I am quite surprised he admitted it now, it takes courage to do that, albeit it is probably way too late for most people.

I gave up on the idea that professional sports were holier than thou a long time ago. With so much money  on the line I have a hard time believing there won't always be someone trying to get an advantage any way they can.

Maybe I am just too cynical?

[newtogolf]

It's slightly different in that Armstrong knew the rules prohibited PEDs, doping, EPO, and transfusions yet he did all those things anyway.  I also agree that he was not the only guy out there doing it, so it seems just about everyone in the race was cheating.

Baseball did not have any rules specific to PEDS until after Conseco's book was published and the scandal came out.  Baseball hid behind the "illegal drugs" clause which in theory would cover HGH (though until now they didn't have a accurate test for it) and testosterone but they did not officially have a policy against PEDS during the juice era.

Originally Posted by dsc123

I'd be interested to know what you guys who think the juicers should be allowed in think about Lance Armstrong?  Do you think he should be allowed to keep his titles and medals?  Everybody in that sport doped.