Searching for ball

[NM Golf]

Originally Posted by Rulesman

There is no requirement to look for another player's ball.

Duh Never said there was.

Originally Posted by Rulesman

If you were on the clock and walked up the right hand side of the fairway to look for a fellow competitor's ball, spent a few minutes searching, then walked 150 yards to the other side to your ball at about the same distance from the hole, you would almost certainly be penalised. You would have been expected to have gone directly to your ball and made your preparations for your stroke.

Who is on the clock? Of course things are different when you are on the clock but that is a whole different situation. Plus, the clock begins when its your turn to play. How would they determine who is out if the other players ball has not been found? So I don't buy that someone would get penali z ed for looking for another person's ball.

Originally Posted by Rulesman

However, a player would be OK in not searching if it would be unsafe because another was going to play over the search area.

No kidding. This whole argument came about because I said I don't have to go ahead of my group and look for my ball. I am well within the rules to wait behind the balls of my fellow competitors until we arrive at the area where my ball most likely came to rest.

Originally Posted by Fourputt

I agree that most of the time, at least some of the group would help to find a misplaced ball, particularly if they have to wait for the target area to clear, or if they are already in the general area where another player's ball disappeared.  At the same time, if I'm with 3 guys who are walking, and they all hit to the right rough, but my ball is in the far left rough, I don't expect all of them to race up and hit their shots, then run over and help me find mine.  I also don't go over to their balls with them, even if one is in a position where it might be lost.  I go directly to my ball and begin to search.  If the time runs out, or I give up, before anyone comes to help, that is my fault for playing a poor shot.  I don't just expect that they will delay play to help me.   Such help is a courtesy, not a requirement or a "rule", written or otherwise.

I played in the same Men's Club for 22 years,  And in that time, most of the regular members became my friends.  We were always helpful and courteous in such situations when it was reasonable to be helpful, but not at the expense of delaying play and risking a penalty (and we had a strictly enforced pace of play policy on our tournament hard card).  We treated each other with respect and friendship, but it was a golf club, not a ladies aid society, and the main focus was playing golf by the rules.

I guess I just believe you can play by the rules and help each other out as well, not one or the other. Plus my group plays so fast that a slow play penalty would never even be a consideration.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by NM Golf

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Originally Posted by Fourputt

I agree that most of the time, at least some of the group would help to find a misplaced ball, particularly if they have to wait for the target area to clear, or if they are already in the general area where another player's ball disappeared.  At the same time, if I'm with 3 guys who are walking, and they all hit to the right rough, but my ball is in the far left rough, I don't expect all of them to race up and hit their shots, then run over and help me find mine.  I also don't go over to their balls with them, even if one is in a position where it might be lost.  I go directly to my ball and begin to search.  If the time runs out, or I give up, before anyone comes to help, that is my fault for playing a poor shot.  I don't just expect that they will delay play to help me.   Such help is a courtesy, not a requirement or a "rule", written or otherwise.

I played in the same Men's Club for 22 years,  And in that time, most of the regular members became my friends.  We were always helpful and courteous in such situations when it was reasonable to be helpful, but not at the expense of delaying play and risking a penalty (and we had a strictly enforced pace of play policy on our tournament hard card).  We treated each other with respect and friendship, but it was a golf club, not a ladies aid society, and the main focus was playing golf by the rules.

I guess I just believe you can play by the rules and help each other out as well, not one or the other. Plus my group plays so fast that a slow play penalty would never even be a consideration.

I'm guessing that as a plus handicap, you play with players of like ability in your association, so you would rarely, if ever, get in the situation where you have 2 or 3 errant shots to search for at the same time.   In that case, if each player does as you suggest, it could take as much as 15 minutes to resolve the problem if you search for each ball consecutively.  If each player does his own search and finds the ball or not, it takes a maximum of 5 minutes.  It should be obvious which way we would have to go.

[Rulesman]

To NM Golf

I was suggesting that the obligation to keep play going without undue delay is greater than the wish to search for another player's ball if there is a conflict. One is covered by a rule, the other is not.

Whilst the clock actually starts when it is the player's turn to play, the actions or inaction of the player in getting into position and getting the group back onto staion are taken into account by the referee.

They would only get penalised if it was slowing the group down or if the player could have saved (or not lost) time by playing first and then searching.

There is no problem and would be considered good practice if you have to walk in the direction of or past the 'lost' ball. It is when your ball is in a completely different direction that time should be considered. Play first, look second.