HSP in the Wind

[lion82]

Lets say you have a less than 2 degree hsp with a 6 iron. Is it accurate to think that your hsp would shift more rightward if u were hitting with a 25 mph right to left crosswind?

[Golfingdad]

I don't know what that means.

[logman]

High swing point? height swinging position,.........hello Stuart Peabody???

[logman]

I thought I was the dumbest man on this forum!!!

[lion82]

The more right you swing/aim the more it will hook unless you open the face more.

[tmf9]

hsp? highly stupid person?

[lion82]

Is this a golf forum?

[tmf9]

Originally Posted by lion82

Is this a golf forum?

yes, now what does hsp stand for?

[lion82]

Horizontal swing path = direction of swing on trackman.

[Golfingdad]

Lets say you have a less than 2 degree hsp with a 6 iron. Is it accurate to think that your hsp would shift more rightward if u were hitting with a 25 mph right to left crosswind?

[quote name="lion82" url="/t/65549/hsp#post_820932"]Horizontal swing path = direction of swing on trackman.[/quote]Why would your swing path go more right-ward if the wind is blowing to the left?

[MS256]

Is that a fancy way of asking if you have to aim further right if the wind is blowing to the left?

[lion82]

I think you might be better off swinging more left to try to hold off the hook but that is hard to do because it goes against your instincts. I was just wondering if anyone had trackman numbers on a calm day vs. windy day and how much their paths differed.

[MS256]

Originally Posted by lion82

I think you might be better off swinging more left to try to hold off the hook but that is hard to do because it goes against your instincts. I was just wondering if anyone had trackman numbers on a calm day vs. windy day and how much their paths differed.

Whether to hold a fade up against the wind or let a draw ride the wind or hit a straight ball that drifts with the wind depends on the shot situation.

How much green there is to work with. Pin location (back left, front right). Landing area or slope. Firmness of the greens. Where is the trouble. What you are good at or what you are good at that day.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by lion82

I think you might be better off swinging more left to try to hold off the hook but that is hard to do because it goes against your instincts. I was just wondering if anyone had trackman numbers on a calm day vs. windy day and how much their paths differed.

I think what you said there in the bold is correct.

People can "know" that the face determines the start line but until they play enough golf, and hit enough shots, to truly convince themselves of that, the "path" still feels like the "instinctual" way to start the golf ball.

Still, since HSP is technically a measure of your target line, a good player who plays a slight draw or push (i.e. a slight HSP, which is now "swing direction" by the way and not a measure of the true horizontal "club path") could either shift to the right or not.

Let's imagine the wind will push the ball five degrees.

• With the Trackman or Flightscope set up towards the flag as the target, the HSP should shift to 7 degrees.
• With the Trackman or Flightscope set up towards a point five degrees right of the flag as the target, the HSP will not shift at all.

In either situation, the player could do one of two things:

1. Open the club up five degrees and swing out to the right five degrees, playing effectively a bigger push with the same amount of draw.
2. That'd be awkward, though - most likely they would turn their body five degrees to the right and make the same exact shot.

I'd prefer to just make the same swing and let the wind do with it what it will. So then the answer simply becomes where do you put the doppler radar to measure the shot? That way, regardless of your instincts, if you convince yourself that the target is the right greenside bunker and the wind will push the ball back, you're set up for success - whether you "feel" it's the path or you know it's the face.

[Ernest Jones]

Originally Posted by logman

High swing point? height swinging position,.........hello Stuart Peabody???

Originally Posted by logman

I thought I was the dumbest man on this forum!!!

Originally Posted by tmf9

hsp? highly stupid person?

[Fourputt]

For me a right to left wind is my friend.

Really though, in a left to right wind, which is my nemesis (my normal fade can become a wrong fairway slice), I set up slightly left, but then I play a lower, punch type shot to take away some of the effect of the wind, and I don't swing as hard as usual to try and minimize any off plane tilt in the ball spin.  I usually play well in windy conditions because it doesn't really change my overall game that much.  I certainly don't dwell on it, or let myself overthink it.