just tried something that ive been talking about

[virtuaframax 0]

Playing for FOUR years and hitting SHANKS into the hole equates to a (21 Index)

"So I have my game nicely on the way to becoming scratch. Its only a few more years."  Hmmm

Could be along time before you reach your goal of being a "Scratch Golfer"

Good Luck.

Club Rat

PS. I do care about my scores.

Also, looks like you're caring about the score too since you have an index (21) and you're stating you're "on your way" to becoming scratch...

I haven't met anyone who doesn't really care about the score, no matter they shoot a 130 or a 90... at the end of the round they all want to know what they shoot...

[theworldengine 2]

Its not as simple as play more and get better lol. I just played with someone who has played well over 2000 rounds in his life and he didn't break 100 lol

[PaneraiMan 2]

For me it's about getting better as it gives me satisfaction and the game sucks me in even more

[xerex250 0]

This should help you guys understand where I'm coming from with my golf knowledge. Golf isn't about how good the swing, what you score, or what people think of your playing ability.

You can play better simply by trying on the course to get the ball into the hole in fewer strokes than your last round. It's pure logic. think before you post please.

[iacas 9,830]

This should help you guys understand where I'm coming from with my golf knowledge. Golf isn't about how good the swing, what you score, or what people think of your playing ability.

Why? So far as I can tell you've routinely ignored questions asked of you, responses to your posts, and so on. Why should better players continue to listen to what you have to say when you seem to be incapable or unwilling to engage in a discussion?

I've made the point several times that just because you're working on mechanics on the range doesn't mean that you're going to automatically think about it on the golf course.

You can play better simply by trying on the course to get the ball into the hole in fewer strokes than your last round. It's pure logic. think before you post please.

You can play better by improving your swing too. Moe Norman practiced. Jack Nicklaus took lessons. Tiger Woods works as hard as anyone.

I don't have 17 minutes to spare right now. So answer the very basic question: "Why should we watch this video?"

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I'm going to merge many of your threads. They all seem to be the same topic.

Edit: There, done. I'm not sure what title to give it, but I'm open to suggestions.

Seriously, @xerex250 , it would behoove you to listen to what other people have to say AND respond to them. There's likely some truth to what you keep saying, but it's lost in how dogmatic you seem to be as well as how you routinely ignore any counter-points others raise.

[mvmac 2,589]

You can play better simply by trying on the course to get the ball into the hole in fewer strokes than your last round. It's pure logic. think before you post please.

You just defined golf.  Anyone who plays golf is trying to get the ball in the hole with the fewest strokes, unless you're a sandbagger.

[JonMA1 510]

First off, its not about the swing. Second its not about your score. Its about whacking a ball into a hole. Who cares about score? Its just a record of your strokes. People worry too much. It's just a game people. Honestly look at the target choose a club and hit that stupid thing. If you miss, hit it again until it gets in the hole. Golf is that simple. I know you guys are going to argue with me about this so think about what you say before you say it. I don't prefer insults over not saying anything at all. Mother always told us that if you didn't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. So don't insult me or anyone else. You're allowed to disagree just not insult me for my "lack of golfing knowledge". Handicap doesn't matter. What matters is enjoying yourself on the course. And if you want to improve, its simple. Play more golf. Human engineering is like that. The more you do something the better you get, but only if you focus on the main objective, which is hitting the ball into the hole.

If you really could care less about improving your game and only are worried about the swing, try this drill.

Mishit any shot on purpose (Driving range only lol) try topping (difficult) thinning fatting shanking and all sorts of stuff. You cant do that with a perfect swing. If you can mishit shots on purpose, and in control, you can hit a golf ball perfectly too.

Remember, hit the ball in the hole, which is what golf is anyway. Also, don't insult, argue with others or me, you can disagree, but in a professional manner. If you don't think what i'm saying is true, then you can most certainly ignore it. But it has worked for me over these four years of hitting balls on the range and playing ten rounds, so I have my game nicely on the way to becoming scratch. Its only a few more years. And if I play more, I will improve.

Once again, if you think i'm talking nonsense, you may well certainly ignore this post.

Discuss as you will.

I have no problem with how others approach the game or what pleasure they get from it. If score and improvement are not important to you, that's great. But like many others, the challenge and failures are a big part of the enjoyment. For me (at this point), the score is a quantitative way of showing progress. It's not to brag or compete.

Here is my opinion from the perspective of not yet having a good swing nor being successful at shooting low scores.

My goal is to put all the technical information and time available towards learning a "proper" swing. After that's developed and becomes second nature (natural swing), I can then play golf simply by concentrating on course management and having a positive attitude.

What's a proper swing?

1. Easily repeatable. As few of moving parts as possible. Simple to diagnose when it goes awry.

2. Can be carried through to old(er) age with minimal damage to the body

3. Can achieve as relative accuracy and distance while meeting the criteria of 1 and 2.

I've tried the positive attitude and swinging without thinking about it. That type of playing will only take me so far since I don't have proper mechanics. It's very important but it isn't the whole package.

On the flip side, if by some freak of nature I were to develop a flawless swing, I'd still have to execute it. That's the mental side of the equation.

I've read excerpts from Dr. Rotella's book Golf is Not a Game of Perfect . I think there's a lot of good stuff in it. But I think it's oversimplified to believe a good attitude alone will really improve your game.

My point is that you cannot have one without the other. Just my inexperienced opinion.

As for not caring about the score, I've had to tone that down just to keep my sanity. But like most, there's a part of me that wants to be the best at everything I do. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy breaking 90 on occasions.

[iacas 9,830]

Not for nothing, @xerex250 , but our commitment to "less thinking" (and when you do, better thinking) on the golf course also plays a big role in this project: .