Miura Japan and Miura USA

[golfwithatwist]

I've recently been researching Miura clubs and asked Tourspecgolf for a price on a set of CB 501 irons. They told me they can't sell the CB 501 only clubs made for the Japanese market. My question is why would there be a difference? Are the clubs made for the US made somewhere else? If so where? Is Miura pulling the wool over our eyes? I'd like to know before I shell out more money than I've ever spent for a set of clubs on a set that may not even be made by Miura in Japan. Thanks for any help.

[Mr. Desmond]

Why would you even ask a question in that manner?

Gheesh.

Ask the question in a respectful way. Please.

Okay, back on point.

Look, Miura product made for the North American market is made in the same place as Miura Japan. It says "Made in Japan" or "Genuine" on the hosel. I've owned several sets of Miura USA irons and wedges and they are all made in Himeji, Japan by the Miuras. Mr. Miura personally grinds some clubs - including special orders and K Grind wedges.

See Miura Golf USA website for info and authorized dealers. Make certain you use an authorized dealer.

And don't do a tour spec or authorized dealer mail order -- at least that is what I would advise. You need to get fit for that club if you are spending that much money. I hopped on a plane to get fit correctly.

http://miuragolf.com

The Japanese market is different from the US, and the clubs are designed for different conditions - specifically the grind, from what I am told.

Another question to ask is whether you are ready for a CB-501? They are quite demanding and have a different sole grind - you ought to try a 6i to make certain the club and grind fit your swing.

I know it's a lot of money - some Miura dealers will send a sample iron if you allow them to authorize your credit card until it's returned.

Good luck.

[GaijinGolfer]

One thing you need to understand about Tourspecgolf is that they sell JDM clubs, so they really cant sell you a U.S. market club because its something that they simply dont carry.

They are still made by Miura in Japan but they arent exactly the same.  Mostly the difference is the shafts.  Its not as if Tourspecgolf is selling you knockoffs or lower-quality clubs, they simply dont stock U.S. market clubs.

If you REALLY have your heart set on U.S. market Miuras, maybe you need to find a fitter in the states who would be more than happy to get you what you want.

[purple drank]

I saw some KJ chois on ebay for 300 bucks but I dont like the look of Miura irons personally. They kind of remind me of Adams CMB irons. Even Miuras cavity backs don't appeal to me but I'm sure they feel like butter upon impact.

[GaijinGolfer]

I saw some KJ chois on ebay for 300 bucks but I dont like the look of Miura irons personally. They kind of remind me of Adams CMB irons. Even Miuras cavity backs don't appeal to me but I'm sure they feel like butter upon impact.

A lot of people are in love with the prestige of the Miura name.  Theyre very good irons but Im not a fan of the fact that they arent a true 1-piece forged iron.  The hosels are spin welded and IMO that effects the feel.

[Golfingdad]

A lot of people are in love with the prestige of the Miura name.  Theyre very good irons but Im not a fan of the fact that they arent a true 1-piece forged iron.  The hosels are spin welded and IMO that effects the feel.

That's what you say, but I think what you really mean is (and how this reads to a lot of people on here) ...

"A lot of people are in love with the prestige of the Miura name. Theyre very good irons but Im not a fan of the fact that they don't say Mizuno on the back and IMO that effects the feel."

[Dave2512]

Check out the MacGregor PCB Tour if you want to experiment. It's an older club and supposedly a confirmed Miura forging for MacGregor. Should be able to find some on ebay in the $100 range, nearly identical to the CB-301.  I have two sets, even the 8i looks like a butter knife. Nice clubs but freakin' hard to hit consistently. Way out of my league.

[iacas]

A lot of people are in love with the prestige of the Miura name.  Theyre very good irons but Im not a fan of the fact that they arent a true 1-piece forged iron.  The hosels are spin welded and IMO that effects the feel.

[Mr. Desmond]

A lot of people are in love with the prestige of the Miura name.  Theyre very good irons but Im not a fan of the fact that they arent a true 1-piece forged iron.  The hosels are spin welded and IMO that effects the feel.

My first reaction to the above post is "What a load of crap."

A lot of people are also initially drawn to the prestige of Mizuno irons - after all, Luke Donald and other tour players use them. But then, they demo the irons and decide they like them for their performance.

Miura is the same way … people are drawn for whatever reason to a brand, and then do their research.

A lot of people enjoy the performance of Miura irons. If they go to the trouble of finding an authorized dealer and demoing the models, either at a range or on a launch monitor, they can make an informed decision as to their purchase … or not purchase.

I've seen the spin welded process on a video -- and it's wow! The two pieces disappear into one another to integrate into one piece. Miura uses this process for better consistency in their irons. I've used Miura Irons off and on for 15 years; the same with Mizuno. I own Miura as my primary set as I know they are built for consistency between clubs and performance. I can't say the same for my sets that were built by Mizuno. As to feel, some Miura feel like Mizuno; other Miura models feel more dense/solid - an almost point and shoot feeling that I haven't found in other CB irons. At the same time, feel is subjective.

Good luck in your search.

[purple drank]

My first reaction to the above post is "What a load of crap." A lot of people are also initially drawn to the prestige of Mizuno irons - after all, Luke Donald and other tour players use them. But then, they demo the irons and decide they like them for their performance.  Miura is the same way … people are drawn for whatever reason to a brand, and then do their research. A lot of people enjoy the performance of Miura irons. If they go to the trouble of finding an authorized dealer and demoing the models, either at a range or on a launch monitor, they can make an informed decision as to their purchase … or not purchase. I've seen the spin welded process on a video -- and it's wow! The two pieces disappear into one another to integrate into one piece. Miura uses this process for better consistency in their irons. I've used Miura Irons off and on for 15 years; the same with Mizuno. I own Miura as my primary set as I know they are built for consistency between clubs and performance. I can't say the same for my sets that were built by Mizuno. As to feel, some Miura feel like Mizuno; other Miura models feel more dense/solid - an almost point and shoot feeling that I haven't found in other CB irons. At the same time, feel is subjective. Good luck in your search.

Desmond what inspired you to start gaming Miura irons?? Just curious is all...an how do they stack gainst the Adams CMB or MB line of irons....I hear they hit and feel identical.

[flopster]

Why would you even ask a question in that manner?

Gheesh.

Ask the question in a respectful way. Please.

Okay, back on point.

Look, Miura product made for the North American market is made in the same place as Miura Japan. It says "Made in Japan" or "Genuine" on the hosel. I've owned several sets of Miura USA irons and wedges and they are all made in Himeji, Japan by the Miuras. Mr. Miura personally grinds some clubs - including special orders and K Grind wedges.

See Miura Golf USA website for info and authorized dealers. Make certain you use an authorized dealer.

And don't do a tour spec or authorized dealer mail order -- at least that is what I would advise. You need to get fit for that club if you are spending that much money. I hopped on a plane to get fit correctly.

http://miuragolf.com

The Japanese market is different from the US, and the clubs are designed for different conditions - specifically the grind, from what I am told.

Another question to ask is whether you are ready for a CB-501? They are quite demanding and have a different sole grind - you ought to try a 6i to make certain the club and grind fit your swing.

I know it's a lot of money - some Miura dealers will send a sample iron if you allow them to authorize your credit card until it's returned.

Good luck.

Just curious Mr Desmond where did you go? I'm considering Butler golf since I'm from N.CA and I hear he is one of the best. It's still going to be at least another year for me but I want to get this done at least once in my lifetime.

[Mr. Desmond]

Desmond what inspired you to start gaming Miura irons?? Just curious is all...an how do they stack gainst the Adams CMB or MB line of irons....I hear they hit and feel identical.

In my early days of consistently playing golf (mid-90's), I was a club ho. I played Adams before anyone had heard of Adams - I used to hit next to Barney Adams on the range while he was experimenting with new clubs. I had a club maker who was my "pusher" and he played Miura. I looked them up and they seemed like a "form follows function" no frills type of iron. I purchased CB-201 followed by 301's a few years later. At that time, Adams really had nothing going. Looking back, I wasn't good enough to play Miura although I was taking lessons, and it wasn't for lack of trying. I had poor instruction. I went away from Miura and went to Mizuno - MX-23, 25, MP-33's. The MX series were more my level - forgiving. I tried Adams when Chip Brewer took over but the irons were "plasticky" at that time. It wasn't until 2009-11 that Adams was coming out with quality irons, and they were above my level of play. I quit ho'ing in 2009 and settled on a set of Epons as my "iron." But the club maker stuck me with a set of shafts that did not fit.

When Miura came out with the PP-9003, I made the trip to Massachusetts to a club maker I'd know for a few years but only used to reshaft some clubs, Frank Viola, at www.aceofclubstp.com. I had turned him on to Aerotech Golf Shafts before they were popular. The PP-9003 were finally a forgiving Miura iron that looked good to my eye.

As to Adams, Frank has showed me a few of their player sets and he was very impressed with them - he carries tour and other product for Adams, TM, Callaway, Miura, MIzuno, etc. He has  "heads only" for some of these OEMs - and they send him heads that are on spec. But the Adams players club were stronger than I wanted, and I did not want to experiment with irons any longer. I wanted one set as a keeper for 5+ years. The Miuras are into their 3rd year. I changed my swing and didn't want to play the Miura during a transition so I picked up some XHot Pros. They are my range set.

So that's the story. Adams may be nice, but my iron ho'ing days are over.

Fairways and hybrids were difficult to find - but I settled on those recently.

Trying to get to the point where I'm only changing driver and a 60 wedge every 2 years.

[Mr. Desmond]

I know Frank Viola at www.aceofclubstp.com. I got in a plane and visited him one weekend - spent a day at his place on the monitor.