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Hey Guys, I'm getting new clubs for the upcoming season and I'm having trouble choosing which ones.  I have narrowed it down to a few options and they all appear to be very nice clubs.  I have 2 sets from titleist, the AP2 and MB versions, and i have 2 sets from Mizuno, the MP-4 and MP-59 irons.  Right now i have my dads old Mizuno T-Zoid Pro irons in a 3- PW set.  I have hit all of the clubs except the MP-4, and all feel amazing.  I have no clue which ones to go with.


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Really not a bad set in the bunch there. The last set I played were the Mizuno MP64s, which were awesome and I'm currently using the MP54s, which I like better as they are definitely more forgiving. Since you list yourself as a 12, I'd stay away from the Titleist MB and the Mizuno MP4s as they just aren't going to help your game. I'm at just about the same hcp, and even the 64s, which I loved, were too punishing on bad shots. Of the ones you listed I'd go with one of the two cavity back options, but also take a look at the MP54s, I think you'll like them.

Tristan Hilton

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Feel wise, I dont think you will like the 59's after playing the 64's. Im looking at going that way, away from the Ti muscle. I think my old MX200's felt much nicer. They were some soft feeling clubs. I am a fan of the CB Titleist, but the poster above is right. You might be of more benefit sticking to an iron with forgiveness and soft feel. Im curious about the 54's.. I loved the 53's when I demoed them so I can imagine these are going to be just as good. You really cant go wrong with either. Titleist are really making some great irons. Well, always have.


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I just recently ordered a new set of Mizuno Irons. I went into the shop figuring I was dead set on the MP-59's and just needed to get the right shaft. My opinion entirely changed when the clubfitter had me compare the the 59's with the 54's. To me, the 54's felt as smooth as the 59's. I couldn't feel a big difference between the two clubs, but when swung with the same shaft in each club, my off-center hits on the 54's were still decent, whereas with the 59's, off-center hits were pretty bad. Knowing I still need a little bit of forgiveness out of my long irons, I decided to go with the MP-54's with TT Dynalite Gold XP shafts stiff. Lucky for you, you should be able to find a club fitter relatively easy that has all those clubs. Go swing them all and see which you like best.

Driver: RBZ Stage 2 10.5

3 Wood: RBZ 16HL

3 Hybrid: RBZ 21

Irons: Mizuno MP54 4-PW w/ TT Dynalite Gold Shafts

Wedges: Mizuno MP-T4 50,54,58 with DG Spinner Shafts

Putter: Mizuno MP A301


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I just recently ordered a new set of Mizuno Irons. I went into the shop figuring I was dead set on the MP-59's and just needed to get the right shaft. My opinion entirely changed when the clubfitter had me compare the the 59's with the 54's. To me, the 54's felt as smooth as the 59's. I couldn't feel a big difference between the two clubs, but when swung with the same shaft in each club, my off-center hits on the 54's were still decent, whereas with the 59's, off-center hits were pretty bad.

Knowing I still need a little bit of forgiveness out of my long irons, I decided to go with the MP-54's with TT Dynalite Gold XP shafts stiff.

Lucky for you, you should be able to find a club fitter relatively easy that has all those clubs. Go swing them all and see which you like best.


Remind me how long Luke Donald played the 59's for again? ;)

The 59's are above my calibre but I love love love my JPX 825 Pro's that I was DNA fitted for!

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Speed [77] Tempo [5] ToeDown [5] KickAngle [6] Release [5] Mizuno JPX EZ 10.5° - Fujikura Orochi Black Eye (with Harrison ShotMaker) Mizuno JPX EZ 3W/3H - Fujikura Orochi Black Eye Mizuno JPX 850 Forged 4i-PW - True Temper XP 115 S300 Mizuno MP R-12 50.06/54.09/58.10 - Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Mizuno MP A305 [:-P]


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My vote goes for Mizuno's.  I bought a set of MP 64's this year and was very reluctant because of the "player" status of the club.  I have a 10 handicap and was concerned about off center hits.  I had been playing Titleist 704CB's for close to 10 years before making this switch.  I can say that newer cavity back clubs are way better than older models.  Club technology is making CB's like the MP64 more forgiving than ever and still capturing the look and feel of a traditional blade.  If possible, get the newest technology available.  All of Mizuno's research is put into "that" club.  As already posted, my advice is hit them all before making the investment.

Good luck.

amac

Driver :tmade: R1

Fairwaywood :tmade: Rocketballz Stage 2 15*

Hybrids :ping: i15 20* and 23* Hybrids

Irons :mizuno: MP64 4 - PW

Wedges :edel: 54* and 58* 

Putter :edel: 

Golf Ball :titleist: Pro V1 


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It depends on how you play with them. MIzuno, Titlesit ... it's all good.

But people react differently to different clubs ... and sometimes for some inane reason that defies logic.

Hit'em, and then decide.

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It depends on how you play with them. MIzuno, Titlesit ... it's all good.

But people react differently to different clubs ... and sometimes for some inane reason that defies logic.

Hit'em, and then decide.

This is very important, especially the second one.

I've found that, despite trying every shaft combination possible from a fitter's cart on a demo day, Titleist irons will never work out for me. Distances were consistently 10-15% shorter as well as being much more inaccurate. It's just a weird quirk that I've found to be true for me while at the same time seeing people who can take two clubs down from me using Titleist blades. It's about what fits for you specifically, not what other people like best.

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Try them and pick what fits best.

I can only comment on Mizzy's though.  Sure Titleists are good too.  I've hit the latest cavity back flavors of Nike and TM and those seem fine as well.  anyway:

I play with MP-53s and like them a lot.

After last year, I'd REALLY like to have the MP64's (demo'd them a ton and they really are about my best fit), but I won't be buying for some time.

As for the other Mizuno's - When I connect on the MP69's and the MP4's they fly and feel great - but the mishits are really punishing and I'm not ready for those clubs at all - I wish I was, beautiful clubs, great feel and look - but above my consistency for now.

I like the above comments - at our handicap - I don't think one can go wrong with the MP-54s (or find used MP53's or even 63's).  But, nothing beats a custom fitting, especially compared to internet advice.

Bill - 

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