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  On 6/15/2018 at 9:19 PM, iacas said:

I'd love to see some longer putts. And a closeup of the grip.

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I'll get them.  How much longer?  

I'll also go today or tomorrow when there's sufficient sunlight so I don't have the issue with yesterday's end.  Are those videos okay lighting-wise?

I should be able to find someone to help me take a picture of me gripping the club shortly. 

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Here's a face-on picture of putter grip.  Would a down the line view help too?

putter_grip_06152018.JPG

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It's a picture, not a video; mistake in label, I didn't intend to take video though so that's not the error.

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  On 6/15/2018 at 10:01 PM, Shindig said:

Here's a face-on video of putter grip.  Would a down the line view help too?

putter_grip_06152018.JPG

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Thanks.

Why?

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  On 6/15/2018 at 10:02 PM, iacas said:

Thanks.

Why?

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I didn't think it'd help, but just in case I figured I'd ask. 

(I assume "why?" is "why would you need a down the line picture?" and not "why do you grip it that way?" because I don't have an answer to the second question)

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Why do you grip it like that?

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  On 6/15/2018 at 10:11 PM, iacas said:

Why do you grip it like that?

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What I think I'm doing is gripping it lightly so my shoulders can propel it.  I think (from earlier in the thread) that I used to be a very wristy putter and this is a reaction to that.

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Your hand isn’t even really on the club.

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Yeah a grip like that would have the putter feeling extremely disconnected from my hands. Strange grip.

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Would something like this be more advisable?  putter_grip2_06152018.JPG

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  On 6/15/2018 at 10:28 PM, Shindig said:

Would something like this be more advisable?  putter_grip2_06152018.JPG

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Yes. Still don’t like how cupped the left wrist is.

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  On 6/15/2018 at 10:58 PM, iacas said:

Yes. Still don’t like how cupped the left wrist is.

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Okay.  If I understand cupping (plus the quick Google search a moment ago to try to discern it), this means I should have my left wrist bent less backwards (or possibly flat).  I'm having trouble picturing just how to do that;  I think it gets a bit better if I stand tall over it.  I watched your "testing the T bar" video (linked previous page) to try to get a look at your putting grip and I don't see the difference.

Either way, though, if this is an improvement I'm going to start with this and go from there. 

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  On 6/15/2018 at 11:16 PM, Shindig said:

I watched your "testing the T bar" video (linked previous page) to try to get a look at your putting grip and I don't see the difference.

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The shaft gets too vertical. It's a matter of degrees, but… well… here…

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Okay.  After yesterday's conversation, I went to a nearby practice facility and filmed a long putt, about 25-30', and a shorter one, about 10', from both angles.  From my SGP scores, I suspect something may be wrong mechanically with my putting, and I'd like to work on that, especially as it'd help with bead and speed (I am aware of what I need to do to improve read).

None of these videos reflect how I practice putting;  they're all meant to demonstrate my putting mechanics, placing those out for review. 

Videos are edited for length so I can show just the relevant parts (not the part where I'm at the camera, turning it off afterward, etc).

Long putt:

 

 

And the shorter putt:

 

 

 

 

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Yeah from the very first video I can notice a TON of wrist and arm movement independent of the actual rotation of your shoulders.

Look at the left wrist in particular in the two screenshots I attached. It is changing angle drastically by the end of the putt.

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Oooh.  Yes, that appears to be the case.  I think that'd explain inconsistency in distance control?

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  On 6/17/2018 at 2:53 AM, Shindig said:

Oooh.  Yes, that appears to be the case.  I think that'd explain inconsistency in distance control?

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Absolutely. I mean please take what I say with a grain of salt. I've only played golf for 2.5-3 years so I'm definitely not an expert, but I do have skill in breaking mechanics down since I was a college level tennis player and have worked with video plenty.

Also compare the length of your back stroke to that of your forward stroke. Sure the golf ball is forward in your stance as it should be but your back swing is REALLY short when you compare it to the length of the forward stroke. This can definitely mean you are still accelerating at the time of contact which is not a good thing for distance control.

Here is a good thread on that.

 

 

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What @Grizvok said.

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Thank you @Grizvok -- I'm going to work on that.  

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Driver:  Titleist 915D2.  4-wood:  Titleist 917F2.  Titleist TS2 19 degree hybrid.  Another hybrid in here too.  Irons 5-U, Ping G400.  Wedges negotiable (currently 54 degree Cleveland, 58 degree Titleist) Edel putter. 

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