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I played a round today with my brother-in-law. At a long par 3 he teed off, the ball struck the yageage board of the ladies tee (about 15 yards in front of our tee box, to the left), the ball shot back 10 yards past us about a yard into some heavy bushes. Unsure of the ruling and because we were just out for a bit of fun I told him to just rehit, no penalty. But I'm curious, in case this comes up in a competition, was that the right call??? Are the yardage markers counted as 'part of the course'???

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I played a round today with my brother-in-law. At a long par 3 he teed off, the ball struck the yageage board of the ladies tee (about 15 yards in front of our tee box, to the left), the ball shot back 10 yards past us about a yard into some heavy bushes. Unsure of the ruling and because we were just out for a bit of fun I told him to just rehit, no penalty. But I'm curious, in case this comes up in a competition, was that the right call??? Are the yardage markers counted as 'part of the course'???

I think it's just a rub of the green. He'd have to play the ball as it lies.

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Not the right ruling, no. Play the ball as it lies. You can bounce it off a trash can or a water cooler or a car parked on the course and you'd still have to play it where it ended up. Pros bounce balls off spectators and play it as it lies - they're not "part of the course" either.

It's almost always irrelevant if something is part of the course or not when a ball simply hits it and deflects away (exceptions include you, your equipment, your opponent, etc.) - whether something is "part of the course" only comes into play if your ball is resting on it, in it, or your stance or swing are affected (like the earlier example of a garbage can).

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Or if he lost the ball in the bush it would be called a Lost ball and he would have to hit again from the tee box, not sure on which stroke he'd be on though.
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Or if he lost the ball in the bush it would be called a Lost ball and he would have to hit again from the tee box, not sure on which stroke he'd be on though.

1 for the shot, 1 for the lost ball, hitting three from the tee again. He could also declare it unplayable and hit again from the tee - same deal.

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I may be way off base here, but I believe if the ball is declared unplayable, you'd have to take relief from the bush and play it from there with a penalty, hitting three. Re-teeing would only be an option if the ball was declared lost.

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I may be way off base here, but I believe if the ball is declared unplayable, you'd have to take relief from the bush and play it from there with a penalty, hitting three. Re-teeing would only be an option if the ball was declared lost.

Yes, you ARE way off base.

Rule 28- Ball Unplayable - (a) allows the player to "Play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played".

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the only thing that a few course around here have is if you strike the power lines which cross the fairways you can play the shot again with no penalty.... and its marked on there scorecard... unless otherwise stated on the card its unplayable and tee it up agin hitting 3...
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Thanks to everybody for the replies, I'm going to text my brother-in-law and tell him he signed an incorrect scorecard and is disqualified from our two man tournament - I win, YES

Serves him right for listening to somebody that doesn't know the rules (me ha ha ha)...

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we have power lines on one of our holes and it is declared a re-tee no penalty if the wire is hit. and you can see plenty of marks from being hit! haha.

I would agree that if the ball hits something it would be played as is, where is, as lies.

oh yeah I got DQ in a tourney for moving a 150 marker out of my way. come to find out since it affected my swing, I would have been able to take a free drop. Oh well live and learn...

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