Takeaway and backswing information

[Millwrong12]

Hey Guys,

I have a question regarding the takeway and full back swing. I have been working hard on my swing sequence and have pretty much nailed them in slow motion.

I have having a problem with actually starting the back swing. I have tried using my right arm to take the club back which turns my shoulders and hips nicely. I have tried to just turn my shoulders and lift my arms with wrist cocking. I have also tried using my left arm to push the club back which turns my shoulders and hips.

I am hitting a inside to out path but still getting a fade and sometimes a hard slice. I have hit maybe one or too okay draws.

[DrvFrShow]

If you have an inside to out swing path, how is your grip?

[mvmac]

I am hitting a inside to out path but still getting a fade and sometimes a hard slice. I have hit maybe one or too okay draws.

Are you sure the path is inside out? From your swing (March 18th) in your swing thread the path is definitely across the ball. Look at how the shaft steepens on the downswing.

[Ernest Jones]

@Millwrong12 Pretty sure the only possible way to hit a fade/slice with an inside-out path is to have the face open to that path which would mean there would necessarily be a pretty significant push component. So unless your shots are starting well to the right and bending even further right, I would guess that your still coming from the outside and cutting across the ball. @mvmac knows what he's talking about so if your swing thread is up to date, your still swinging out to in. Tough habit to break. Check out the Slide Your Hips thread.

[Millwrong12]

I am taki gm a rough guess as I am hitting the middle ball. Place one ball on the outside just a bit back and one on the inside. Nailing that middle one every time.

[Millwrong12]

My shots are starting middle and going right.

[Ernest Jones]

My shots are starting middle and going right.

Hard to say without video but that sounds like a square face at impact (starts down the middle) with a path that comes from the outside creating fade or slice spin (ball curves away from the path)

[Millwrong12]

I am going to buy that vision track. Anyways any thoughts on the backswing portion?

[EverythingGolf]

Sounds like a path issue to me.

[mvmac]

My shots are starting middle and going right.

That would mean face is square and the path is left. Ball start predominantly where the face is pointed and curves away from the path.

I am going to buy that vision track. Anyways any thoughts on the backswing portion?

Your path will get better as Key #2 improves. Tough for me to say what you'll feel. Some players feel the backswing start with their right shoulder, left shoulder, hands, some don't "think" about anything at all. For now just focus on your priority piece and ask your Evolvr instructor.

[Millwrong12]

Thanks Mike, It is coming together slowly. I am seeing better improvement. How should the face actually be at

[Millwrong12]

Thank you, Question how should the face be at impact?

[SoundandFury]

Thank you,

Question how should the face be at impact?

Pretty sure it depends on the path and what type of shot you want to hit.  If you're trying to hit a draw, face should be slightly open to the target and closed to the path.

[mvmac]

Thank you,

Question how should the face be at impact?

If you're trying to hit a draw, then a little right of your intended target.

[Millwrong12]

Should you address the ball like that also? I always thought you are square at address?

[mvmac]

Should you address the ball like that also?

Yes.

[Millwrong12]

Thanks Mike! Well that will fix that. I did not know that.

[mvmac]

Thanks Mike!

Well that will fix that. I did not know that.

http://thesandtrap.com/b/playing_tips/ball_flight_laws