Hitting out bottom of the face

[vangator]

Here's what I don't get about the "your clubs are too short and you hit it thin" take. If that's true then wouldn't everyone thin their lob wedges?

Longer irons are a usually a more dynamic swing which tends to get your posture in the "normal" position during the swing. When hitting a LW, since it's a more controlled shot, your posture stays more controlled. That's my story and I'm sticking with it. :-) The idea of the heel being off the ground would cause the shot to be thinned if the toe didn't dig in. I'm not sure I agree with the "rule of thumb" mentioned above. The only reason to bend a club flat or upright is to get the sole to hit the turf in the middle of the sole. If you're hitting the ball to closely to the heel, move your stance back. If too close to the toe, move up. Sounds like the "rule of thumb" is an attempt to correct another problem.

[mvmac]

Longer irons are a usually a more dynamic swing which tends to get your posture in the "normal" position during the swing. When hitting a LW, since it's a more controlled shot, your posture stays more controlled. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

The idea of the heel being off the ground would cause the shot to be thinned if the toe didn't dig in.

I guess the take home I would want anyone reading this thread to get is if you took a scratch golfer's clubs, cut them short an inch, the golfer would still be able to hit it reasonably solid and take a divot. I've seen good golfers pick up women's clubs or clubs that weren't even close to their specs and hit the ball solid.

I do think fittings are important but a good golf swing can "overcome" a lot.

Sounds like the "rule of thumb" is an attempt to correct another problem.

Yeah sounds like a band-aid.

[tnull]

I agree with both premises.  It was said that in tennis, Roger Fedderer could beat you using a broom.  But he would not be playing at his optimum level, lol!

A good golfer can compensate for less than optimum equipment.  Shorter clubs, wrong lie angle, wrong shaft flex, wrong grip size.  But the golfer then has to compensate on every swing.  The ideal is to be able to make a comfortable swing with no compensation.  Thus having the clubs fit for that swing is ideal.  Yes you can move closer or farther away from the ball.  But each person has a swing plane that may be flatter or more upright by a small margin.  Not so much that it is a bad swing, but within an allowable range.  This would then require the lie angle to be slightly adjusted to reflect this.

If you have clubs fit to your body type and swing characteristics, then you only have to make your normal swing, the one that requires no conscious thoughts to compensate.  This would be the most repeatable swing.  I believe this is what Tom Wishon states every golfer can benefit from, low handicap to high.

That said, you are both right in that a good golfer can simply make the proper swing with small compensations and hit the ball fairly well.  You can buy a suit jacket off the rack, or have it altered to fit you exactly.  Both work, one simply looks and fits a bit better.

[vangator]

I guess the take home I would want anyone reading this thread to get is if you took a scratch golfer's clubs, cut them short an inch, the golfer would still be able to hit it reasonably solid and take a divot. I've seen good golfers pick up women's clubs or clubs that weren't even close to their specs and hit the ball solid.  I do think fittings are important but a good golf swing can "overcome" a lot. Yeah sounds like a band-aid.

Yep, I agree. I knew you were just fooling with me. I could take any club and after a couple of shots compensate, but it wouldn't be my best golf.