Donald Trump for president?

[newtogolf]

Do you try to be an ....? If not, it must be your IBS acting up.

Look, no one gives a hoot about my solutions. I am not running for office.

This is about the candidates and their solutions.

Just not hearing any substance from Trump or the other also-rans.

No IBS, just pointing out the irony of your previous post.

If you're going to make accusatory statements about the GOP party you should back it up with some facts.  You hit and run these threads spewing liberal rhetoric but every time you're called on it, you make a lame excuse as to why you can't back it up.  You do exactly what Obama and Hillary do when they are held accountable for their actions.

[newtogolf]

Comparing homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality? Come on.

Calling Obamacare the worst thing since slavery and worse than 9/11? I mean, I'm no lover of Obamacare but that's just a

Joe Paradiso

[RJH999]

He said these things last night, cause I didn't hear anything like that?

Not in the debate. I meant his previous statements.

[newtogolf]

Not in the debate.

I meant his previous statements.

I know he's not a fan of Obama Care but last night he avoided saying anything close to those quotes and that's all I was referring to.

If he's said those other things it will be interesting to see how they play into his campaign going forward.  All the candidates on both sides have quotes attributed to them that they likely regret saying, except Trump.

[RJH999]

I know he's not a fan of Obama Care but last night he avoided saying anything close to those quotes and that's all I was referring to. If he's said those other things it will be interesting to see how they play into his campaign going forward.  All the candidates on both sides have quotes attributed to them that they likely regret saying, except Trump.

Agreed. It baffles me that politicans don't have the sense to think before they speak. I mean, if he's asked about gay marriage and he responds with something along the lines of: "I don't believe in gay marriage, because I think marriage should be between a man and a woman", then that's fine, you know? I may not agree with that and people may not agree with it, but that's his opinion and that's fine. Making remarks such as the ones above only hurt him, he's not making any friends with sentences like that.

[newtogolf]

Agreed. It baffles me that politicans don't have the sense to think before they speak. I mean, if he's asked about gay marriage and he responds with something along the lines of: "I don't believe in gay marriage, because I think marriage should be between a man and a woman", then that's fine, you know? I may not agree with that and people may not agree with it, but that's his opinion and that's fine. Making remarks such as the ones above only hurt him, he's not making any friends with sentences like that.

All these "politicians" spew sound bites to get attention within the media in order to garner support or a response.  I cringed last night when the "God" question came up because I knew at least some of them would be tempted to put their preachers hat on and some took the bait.  Carson kind of side stepped the God question and addressed the racial tensions part of the question that they added for him to which he provided what I considered an excellent response.

[nick1998bunker]

I dont know trumps views but i like him as a person

[RJH999]

I dont know trumps views but i like him as a person

:-X

[Mr. Desmond]

What I like about Trump is that he may change the way politicians speak with people.

Instead of PC, consultant speak, we may hear honest, passionate opinions.

I love the way the Donald speaks, it's amusing and refreshing, although what he says is not fact driven, and is shocking.

BUT if his candidacy turns computer pols into people, it will be worth the pain of a Donald.

Turn to the Dems for a moment just for the way they speak -- Bernie Sanders- you know who he is, his honest opinions and frank talk with a matter of fact, passionate personality. Hillary has even turned recently in response to Sanders -- she is emoting more, although I am not a fan. From what I've seen of Chafee, he even seems to voice his opinion. It seems more than pol talk with a bigger personality than most GOP candidates.

And I may be totally incorrect about the Pub candidates -- many of them speak their thoughts -- Huckabee and "oven" (Huckabee is the crazy Bible touting uncle you keep in another room), Cruz and whatever (Cruz is a cold brute), Paul and isolationism (plays it too close to the vest with personality -- needs to brighten it up, seems vanilla) -- their speech just does not resonate with a large percentage of the public as seen in their poll numbers in their own party.

So Trump may turn pols into more passionate personalities. Let's see if that passion has sound policies.

[rkim291968]

What I like about Trump is that he may change the way politicians speak with people.

Instead of PC, consultant speak, we may hear honest, passionate opinions.

I love the way the Donald speaks, it's amusing and refreshing, although what he says is not fact driven, and is shocking.

Not being PC is OK in my book but being mean spirited, childish, bullish is not a reason for hiding behind anti-PC sentiment.  He crossed the line too many times and never apologized.

Recently, I had an unfortunate encounter with a person with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) with ego to match.  His behavior eventually led to our submitting a restraining order on him.  Trump's behavior is identical to it.  Everything he said is "true."   Ones who disagree are threatened with lawsuit, ridiculed, have to be retaliated, etc. b/c NPD can't take rejection, disagreement.  Everything revolve around him.  It's all about I, me, mine.   Having lived through a nightmare of dealing with an NPD, I can easily recognize Trump's behavior as one.   Donald needs a treatment.  Instead, he's running around trying to be the POTUS.   The most tragic thing is, our political landscape & politicians are so screwed up that 20% of the Reps are believing in this guy.   Sad.

[Gunther]

Not being PC is OK in my book but being mean spirited, childish, bullish is not a reason for hiding behind anti-PC sentiment.  He crossed the line too many times and never apologized.  Recently, I had an unfortunate encounter with a person with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) with ego to match.  His behavior eventually led to our submitting a restraining order on him.  Trump's behavior is identical to it.  Everything he said is "true."   Ones who disagree are threatened with lawsuit, ridiculed, have to be retaliated, etc. b/c NPD can't take rejection, disagreement.  Everything revolve around him.  It's all about I, me, mine.   Having lived through a nightmare of dealing with an NPD, I can easily recognize Trump's behavior as one.   Donald needs a treatment.  Instead, he's running around trying to be the POTUS.   The most tragic thing is, our political landscape & politicians are so screwed up that 20% of the Reps are believing in this guy.   Sad.

Those symptoms sound very much like a president currently sitting in office.

[Mr. Desmond]

Those symptoms sound very much like a president currently sitting in office.

A fantasy diagnosis

Anyway, back to Trump.

He did not get invited to the redstate symposium this weekend because if his attack on Megyn Kelly and his hormonal comments.

Donald may be ready for prime time TV, but not for public office.

[rkim291968]

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Originally Posted by rkim291968

Not being PC is OK in my book but being mean spirited, childish, bullish is not a reason for hiding behind anti-PC sentiment.  He crossed the line too many times and never apologized.

Recently, I had an unfortunate encounter with a person with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) with ego to match.  His behavior eventually led to our submitting a restraining order on him.  Trump's behavior is identical to it.  Everything he said is "true."   Ones who disagree are threatened with lawsuit, ridiculed, have to be retaliated, etc. b/c NPD can't take rejection, disagreement.  Everything revolve around him.  It's all about I, me, mine.   Having lived through a nightmare of dealing with an NPD, I can easily recognize Trump's behavior as one.   Donald needs a treatment.  Instead, he's running around trying to be the POTUS.   The most tragic thing is, our political landscape & politicians are so screwed up that 20% of the Reps are believing in this guy.   Sad.

Those symptoms sound very much like a president currently sitting in office.

Not even close.  Can't compare Trump with Obama.   Trump with Hitler, Trump with Gadaafi, Trump with Saddam Hussein comparisons are more like it.

[boogielicious]

@Mr. Desmond and @newtogolf . A gentle reminder to keep it on topic and please be civil to each other. I sense both of you antagonizing each other to the point of no return.

[Gunther]

Not even close.  Can't compare Trump with Obama.   Trump with Hitler, Trump with Gadaafi, Trump with Saddam Hussein comparisons are more like it.

Way overboard there bud. Trump and Obama are textbook narcissists, they have that in common. But I agree, that is where the comparison ends.

[Mr. Desmond]

Way overboard there bud.

Trump and Obama are textbook narcissists, they have that in common. But I agree, that is where the comparison ends.

No, I think you are way off base. But who knows?

All of us have narcissistic tendencies at times, it just doesn't pervade us.

Obama is a law professor - thinks too much, leads too little, doesn't backslap, when something doesn't interest him, he avoids it. I don't think using authority is narcissistic just because one might think the capitalistic system should be left to its own cold devices.

I deal with people with strong narcissistic tendencies, and obsessive compulsive systems types on a daily basis. They are called entrepreneurs ... and then there are real narcissists.

Back to Trump...

From the leftist NYT - males should find this humorous. (and conservatives, take note of liberal humor (I rarely see it on the right unless it's boorish and mean-spirited). She has a postscript where Trump talks about "blood" the next day. And in Trump's defense, he says that his comment did not have anything to do with Megyn's monthly cycle ... that's the problem with off-the-cuff, non-thinking comments. People can twist them...

Washington — I’VE been hesitant to start writing about Donald Trump.

I was worried that if I wrote something that made him mad, he would send out one of his midnight mordant tweets about me, something like “She started as a 3. Now she’s a 1.”

I’d be upset, of course. And relieved that I wasn’t a 0. But I’ve known Trump a long time. That’s how he talks about women. I remember when he sadly broke the news that Heidi Klum was no longer a 10.

He offered this clinical breakdown about Halle Berry to Howard Stern: “From the midsection to the shoulders, she’s a 10. The face is a solid 8. And the legs are maybe a little bit less than that.”

As he once told me : “Certain guys tell me they want women of substance, not beautiful models. It just means they can’t get beautiful models.”

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So when Fox News’s Megyn Kelly grilled Trump during the Republican debate, asking him about his sometimes vicious Twitter account and noting, “You’ve called women you don’t like ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ ‘slobs’ and ‘disgusting animals,’ ” I knew what the glamorous former litigator was up to.

It was Tom Cruise taunting Jack Nicholson in “A Few Good Men.” Kelly was trying to get Trump to lash out in a misogynist way. But he restrained himself in the hall, staying away from the slob-to-supermodel rating system he likes to use. He showed his irritation later, tweeting that the anchor “bombed” and was “totally overrated” and “angry,” and he r etweeted a post calling her a “bimbo.”

[acerimusdux]

Way overboard there bud.

Trump and Obama are textbook narcissists, they have that in common. But I agree, that is where the comparison ends.

I don't see it at all. I know there are lots of people who don't like Obama's policies, but his personality seems the opposite of that. I don't think you ever hear Obama making things personal. There's no evidence he has trouble with interpersonal relationships. He's been married to the same woman for 23 years, with no evidence I've seen of any real problems on the family front. And I can't recall him ever saying anything nasty about anyone. No history of interpersonal lawsuits, either. Even political opponents, he seems to want to sit down and talk, negotiate, work things out. He made Hillary Clinton Secretary of State and was able to work with her after a tough primary fight. If anything, Obama seems like the guy who tries too hard to be friends with everyone. Up to and including dictators.

Trump really is the opposite of that. He's on his third marriage, and previous relationships involved nasty breakups. Is constantly insulting people. Has some very long running feuds. He is notorious for suing people. Also, the tendency to brag (such as reportedly inflating estimates of his own wealth). Main thing though is the lack of empathy.  He never even apologizes for things he's said that were hurtful. That's more the NPD profile.

[rkim291968]

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Originally Posted by Gunther

Way overboard there bud.

Trump and Obama are textbook narcissists, they have that in common. But I agree, that is where the comparison ends.

I don't see it at all. I know there are lots of people who don't like Obama's policies, but his personality seems the opposite of that. I don't think you ever hear Obama making things personal. There's no evidence he has trouble with interpersonal relationships. He's been married to the same woman for 23 years, with no evidence I've seen of any real problems on the family front. And I can't recall him ever saying anything nasty about anyone. No history of interpersonal lawsuits, either. Even political opponents, he seems to want to sit down and talk, negotiate, work things out. He made Hillary Clinton Secretary of State and was able to work with her after a tough primary fight. If anything, Obama seems like the guy who tries too hard to be friends with everyone. Up to and including dictators.

Trump really is the opposite of that. He's on his third marriage, and previous relationships involved nasty breakups. Is constantly insulting people. Has some very long running feuds. He is notorious for suing people. Also, the tendency to brag (such as reportedly inflating estimates of his own wealth). Main thing though is the lack of empathy.  He never even apologizes for things he's said that were hurtful. That's more the NPD profile.

Below is right ouf of Mayo Clinic site on NPD.   Not all of the bullets need to apply to be an NPD.   But it seems to me that a good case can be made for almost all bullets to Trump.   I don't see the same for Obama. There is deep rooted hate for Obama from far right, denying everything he did well, and blaming everything that is not going well to him.   Time will tell where Obama sits among other presidents.   My guess is, it will be well above his predecessor.

• Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
• Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
• Exaggerating your achievements and talents
• Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
• Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
• Requiring constant admiration
• Having a sense of entitlement
• Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
• Taking advantage of others to get what you want
• Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
• Being envious of others and believing others envy you
• Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner