Anyone Else Have This Experience?

[Marty2019]

42 minutes ago, carpediem4300 said:

Just my 2 cents having had a little gander through that stubbornness thread and your thread here reference to the steepness, im slightly thrown by the phrase "increase shoulder tilt" and "flatten the club at the top", perhaps im missing which part of the swing you are trying to increase tilt? one would thing the more you increase tilt on the back swing the more you increase steepness of the club (if nothing else changes), or have I read that into this wrong?

 

 

That is true.  Increasing shoulder tilt should increase the steepness of the club on the backswing and downswing.   Even more reason to flatten my downswing. 

I think my instructor probably would have had me work on flattening my swing even if he had not increased my shoulder tilt, because there are so many beneficial effects of the flattening move.  But the increased shoulder tilt does seem to make flattening the swing a little more urgent.  Because it does put the club even farther up in the air on the back swing. 

Of course, the reason for fixing the shoulder tilt was because lack of shoulder tilt meant that on the down swing my right shoulder came out instead of down, causing me to cast the club over the top. 

[RandallT]

8 minutes ago, Marty2019 said:

Of course, the reason for fixing the shoulder tilt was because lack of shoulder tilt meant that on the down swing my right shoulder came out instead of down, causing me to cast the club over the top.

Far be it from me to offer advice, but I'll say that I think I've learned this much through this process:

For me, the direction that the hands move from the top has more impact on my steepness than shoulder tilt seems to: 

1. If I drop my hands from the top vertically, the club WITHOUT EFFORT steepens and even crosses over toward the ball side of your hands (looking down the line)
2. If I initially move the hands horizontally toward the ball (like spinning horizontally standing in a barrel), the club WITHOUT EFFORT flattens.

That may or not ring true with you or be relevant to you and your specific issues, but it's something I seem to re-learn. I also believe it was mentioned in the steepness thread and has been mentioned by my instructor.  "more merry-go-round and less ferris wheel" is what I have heard. For some reason, I have this long muscle memory of wanting to swing my arms so vertically (that's my theory anyway).

If I'm wrong, I hope an instructor chimes in, of course!

[iacas]

2 hours ago, RandallT said:

1. If I drop my hands from the top vertically, the club WITHOUT EFFORT steepens and even crosses over toward the ball side of your hands (looking down the line)
2. If I initially move the hands horizontally toward the ball (like spinning horizontally standing in a barrel), the club WITHOUT EFFORT flattens.

Those are both true, but at the same time, the forces needed to counter those "without effort" motions are pretty small, too, and the club will have some momentum of its own, so they don't work for everyone.