Martin hall's Wall

[Hacker James]

I usually pay little attention to Martin Hall regarding him as more or less of a parrot, but the last video I received in my inbox regarding shoulder turn struck a chord with me.  Basically, he imagines a wall up from your trail foot to about shoulder height. He addressed the ball, holding the club in the right hand only. Placing his left thumb in the center of his chest in that the left elbow is at a 90 deg angle, he turns to the left until the left elbow "hits the wall". I like it as it gives a reference point to the shoulder turn, rather than simply dipping your left shoulder down as if pouring a liquid (this is also a good drill, but I like the other imagery a bit more). Worked beautifully the first time I tried it, but I am aware, that these things often are short lived.  Although I try to avoid the "latest tip", lest they mess up what I am already doing, this one fits.

[dennyjones]

I'm a fan of Martin Hall

[Hacker James]

2 minutes ago, dennyjones said:

I'm a fan of Martin Hall

oh...my sympathies . (actually, he is okay, just not all that original, but OTOH, there is really nothing new regardless of who is demonstrating it).  I do like his demeanor.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Hacker James said:

I usually pay little attention to Martin Hall regarding him as more or less of a parrot, but the last video I received in my inbox regarding shoulder turn struck a chord with me.  Basically, he imagines a wall up from your trail foot to about shoulder height. He addressed the ball, holding the club in the right hand only. Placing his left thumb in the center of his chest in that the left elbow is at a 90 deg angle, he turns to the left until the left elbow "hits the wall". I like it as it gives a reference point to the shoulder turn, rather than simply dipping your left shoulder down as if pouring a liquid (this is also a good drill, but I like the other imagery a bit more). Worked beautifully the first time I tried it, but I am aware, that these things often are short lived.  Although I try to avoid the "latest tip", lest they mess up what I am already doing, this one fits.

Wouldn't your left elbow hit regardless of the angle on which you rotate your shoulders?

As a drill to get 90°+ shoulder/torso turn, sounds good. But is that all it does?

[Hacker James]

4 hours ago, iacas said:

Wouldn't your left elbow hit regardless of the angle on which you rotate your shoulders?

As a drill to get 90°+ shoulder/torso turn, sounds good. But is that all it does?

in the context of what he was demonstrating, the angle of shoulder rotation was not even being taken into account. The mention of 90 deg was only to indicate that your elbow was more or less pointing down range.  parallel to the target line as opposed to pointing at your belt or toes.  I believe what he was proposing was a way to have an idea of what a full shoulder turn should feel like. You are right in suggesting that other things should also be taken into consideration such as angle of inclination vs level turn. The said premise of the drill (according to Martin) was to get "more distance". Of course, most know there is much more to it. It is just a simple drill and check point which I have found helpful.