Bogey Golfers Only (Index 16-22) / Breaking 90 Topic

[atb5079]

I shot a 90 yesterday and I felt like it was the best most consistent round of golf I ever played. I added up that scorecard and cried lol. Life of a bogey golfer.

[jetsknicks1]

I shot a 90 yesterday and I felt like it was the best most consistent round of golf I ever played. I added up that scorecard and cried lol. Life of a bogey golfer.

It ain't easy being us ;-). Shot an ugly 97 on Saturday, played the same course, from the same tees on Sunday and came in with an 89. Go figure.

[meenman]

It ain't easy being us ;-). Shot an ugly 97 on Saturday, played the same course, from the same tees on Sunday and came in with an 89. Go figure.

join the club, went from a 91 on Friday where I could do little wrong (so glad I doubled the last hole or a chunked pitch shot on #2 would have cost me breaking 90) to a 101 on Saturday where nothing worked. of course friday was played at my own pace and saturday I waited on every shot.

[rkim291968]

43 (7 over) front and 52 (16 over) back.   The score disparity between front and back 9 are increasing.   I finished the round with double-triple-double-double.   Otherwise, it was a wonderful 1st 14 holes.   My excuses?  It was 95+ degrees hot, and the front 4 some played reeeeally slow in the last 5 - 6 holes.  All of our group played terribly in that stretch ... waiting in heat, getting tired of watching the snails inch along.

[rkim291968]

Played day 2 in the club tournament, some thoughts. The tournament had 39 entries. Format is day one is play in, stroke play. Days 2 through 4 are match play. The last group had a bye, which was me in the last group. I played a practice round with the guys I would face in the next round. The winner of that match shoot a 96 on day one, shoots 39 on the front of day 2. Up by 5 with 9 to play. He didn't miss a fairway and maybe one green on the front. Back nine, starts out with four doubles  then pars out. Beats his opponent 3 and 2. During the course of the round find out that both guys are 11 and 12 hcp. Guess I have to play the best round of my life next Saturday.

Yes, you have to.   I played two matches (first time playing match play tournament) and played better than my handicap index.  I beat a fellow bogey golfer but could not beat 9 HI player.  He didn't make any major mistakes and made me feel like I had to match his error-less play.   At the end, I blinked first and lost 2 & 1.

Watch out for those retired 10 handicappers if you play any of them.   They are often much better than their HI indicates.   I am not saying they cheat.  They experiment with their practice rounds and put up scores that are not indicative of their playing level.  Come tournament time ... they manage to play better than their HI.

[Lihu]

Watch out for those retired 10 handicappers if you play any of them.   They are often much better than their HI indicates.   I am not saying they cheat.  They experiment with their practice rounds and put up scores that are not indicative of their playing level.  Come tournament time ... they manage to play better than their HI. ;-)

I'm guessing you lost a few Nassau to one or more of these golfers? :-D Playing them is really tough. Sometimes they play bad the first few holes too. :-X

[rkim291968]

I'm guessing you lost a few Nassau to one or more of these golfers?

Playing them is really tough. Sometimes they play bad the first few holes too.

Yeah, I am being a sore loser .    The beauty of NCGA GHIN system (perhaps, true for all GHINs?) is that I can look up everyone's posted scores for their HI.   I looked up some of my club member's before tournament and I see a lot of irregularities, too many to mention.

[Lihu]

Yeah, I am being a sore loser .    The beauty of NCGA GHIN system (perhaps, true for all GHINs?) is that I can look up everyone's posted scores for their HI.   I looked up some of my club member's before tournament and I see a lot of irregularities, too many to mention.

The main issue with all the handicap systems is that the posters can avoid posting good rounds.

I was watching someone warm up this last weekend for the 5-10 handicap flight at the local club I am thinking of joining. This dude hit some solid drives out there. He hit "random" shots left and right. I watched his keys (to the best of my ability), 0 head movement, full weight shift, elbows close together, impact looked pretty in line, and he setup the club face at the beginning of each shot (purposely). His open face would fade, his closed face would draw. I think he had a minimum of 3.5 keys. Extremely solid. This and the irons he used were blades. He is listed as between a 5-10 handicap. The prizes were divided from about 100 players each putting in $35. You'd have a hard time telling me he wasn't a sandbagger.

Last week The other 15 handicap I was playing last week appeared to be  basically a 15 handicap. He still owed on the order of a handful of bills. The 4.8 handicap consistently drove 240 yard carry with the exact same draw shot every drive. He didn't quite make all the greens, but I now am wondering if he was just not trying. He shot a 79, but somehow I feel like that's wrong. Thinking back on it, he missed shots that even I didn't. I shot 87, which is a 14.76 differential, that day. Tough for me to believe that a 15.1 handicap can shoot 3 adjusted strokes better than a 4.8? My guess is that he wanted to keep things in line with his buddy (the other 15).

Yup, they do exist for one reason or another, for good reasons or bad ones.

[chasm]

The main issue with all the handicap systems is that the posters can avoid posting good rounds

Not all. The main advantage of the Brit system of counting only competition scores is that if you fail to put in your card after a good round you're effectively disqualifying yourself from the competition. It's much more likely, over here, thatt a player will fail to put in his card after a bad round than a good one. .[quote]Tough for me to believe that a 15.1 handicap can shoot 3 adjusted strokes better than a 4.8? [/quote] Huh? Isn't that the whole point of the handicap system? As a high handicapper I am inconsistent. That usually works against me, but now and again I'll go significantly lower than my handicap. That's tough to do if you're off 4 or 5.

[Lihu]

Not all. The main advantage of the Brit system of counting only competition scores is that if you fail to put in your card after a good round you're effectively disqualifying yourself from the competition. It's much more likey, over here, thatt a player will fail to put in his card after a bad round.

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Huh? Isn't that the whole point of the handicap system? As a high handicapper I am inconsistent. That usually works against me, but now and again I'll go significantly lower than my handicap. That's tough to do if you're off 4 or 5.

The British system does not track any of the non-competitive rounds, so a golfer could shoot worse during a competition to keep his handicap high.

If he was a true 4 or 5 there would be a much higher chance of me shooting higher than my handicap than he would be of shooting 3 strokes higher than his. That day, I shot lower than my handicap by a fraction, so the conditions were not bad. Also, he drove every shot to fairway or near fairway with a carry of 240 yards with a slight draw, consistently. His ball striking is much better than mine, yet he was missing greens further away than I was even though he was 10 to 20 yards closer on most shots. He only complained about just one hole where he wanted it next to the pin for a birdie and finished it with a par. There were only 3 holes where I out drove him by 10 to 30 yards, and I did not score that much better on those holes (1 stroke on the last hole with a drive that was only 10 yards further). I made a few more of my approaches just a little closer (on the fringe in many cases, but no GIR) for the up and downs, and he missed a quite a few critical up and downs. Yet, he  still made 9-12 foot putts where needed. It was like playing against a machine, that seemed to miss the strangest shots at the most opportune moments for his friend. The only explanation I can come up with is that his misses were on purpose so that his friend would not lose too badly. He even gave his friend 11 strokes and let him tee up one set of tees. His friend is not bad either, I saw him make a couple really long drives, and a couple long putts a 15 footer and a roughly 20 footer. A legitimate gimme was 4 feet for him.

[atb5079]

I have noticed this year my scores have been on avg 5 strokes higher than usual, but I feel like I have played better than that. But, I have been far more consistent each round form start to finish. I really have limited the doubles/triples, but I cannot find a birdie to save my life. I have noticed my FIR is extremely up which I have been working on my Driver soooo much. But my GIR is plummeting. Not only that but it seems the greens I do it, I am nowhere near close to the hole. So I am being forced to either make an tough chip or more commonly an incredible lag putt to have any chance at par. Any ideas/advice? Other than just practicing irons of course. Any tips or stats to back of the importance of working on 'X' club on the range?

Just thinking about my round today, I shot an 89. Again, as its been most of the year, I feel like I am playing better than score shows. Tees today were a little over 6000 yds and standard par 72 with four par 5s and four par 3s. I shot par on two of each. So if I really just analyze the ten par 4s, I hit 6 of those 10 FIR...pretty pleased for my standards. To me it really does come down to GIR. I hit my Driver when well pretty consistently 250-270. So on the courses I play in my area, typically gives me 100-175 left.

A player of my approximate handicap, how close should I be sticking my shots from 100-175 yds out? Any advise dear friends?

[Lihu]

I have noticed this year my scores have been on avg 5 strokes higher than usual, but I feel like I have played better than that. But, I have been far more consistent each round form start to finish. I really have limited the doubles/triples, but I cannot find a birdie to save my life. I have noticed my FIR is extremely up which I have been working on my Driver soooo much. But my GIR is plummeting. Not only that but it seems the greens I do it, I am nowhere near close to the hole. So I am being forced to either make an tough chip or more commonly an incredible lag putt to have any chance at par. Any ideas/advice? Other than just practicing irons of course. Any tips or stats to back of the importance of working on 'X' club on the range?

Just thinking about my round today, I shot an 89. Again, as its been most of the year, I feel like I am playing better than score shows. Tees today were a little over 6000 yds and standard par 72 with four par 5s and four par 3s. I shot par on two of each. So if I really just analyze the ten par 4s, I hit 6 of those 10 FIR...pretty pleased for my standards. To me it really does come down to GIR. I hit my Driver when well pretty consistently 250-270. So on the courses I play in my area, typically gives me 100-175 left.

A player of my approximate handicap, how close should I be sticking my shots from 100-175 yds out? Any advise dear friends?

Actually, I have two threads out there asking how to get to your handicap.

Here are some of my stats as a 15.1 handicap (you should be much better than this):

Club, carry distance, average roll (estimate based upon ball marks), percentage of GIR from approach

60, 80, 2, >50%

52, 100, 2.5, >~30%

PW (48), 125, 3, 30%

9i (44) , 135, 3.5, 20%

8i (40),  145, 4, 15%

7i (36),  155, 5, 10%

Rolls are completely estimates below this point.

6i (32),  165, 7.5, don't use much (last round was about 10%)

5i (28),  175, 10, no stat (close to 0?)

4i (24),  185, 10, no stat (close to 0?)

4H (23 degree), 185, ???, 10% (just lucky)

3H (19 degree), 195, ???

3W off the tee, about 215 with range balls???, ??? roll, total distance 230-240

3W from a FW, (it just does what it wants to do) pretty much 220-230 total distance

Driver normally 230 carry, recently 220 (I have a possible swing issue developed in the last week or so that I am trying to eliminate). Roll and bounce is usually about 5-30, damp mornings 5 to 15 and dry afternoons 20-30.

These stats are only 7 of my most recent rounds using GolfLogix and a Laser plus a guesstimate to a few feet on the greens.

I could be seriously happy if I could get my 4i to spin back on the green at 185 yards consistently. That's my dream goal anyway.

[chasm]

The British system does not track any of the non-competitive rounds, so a golfer could shoot worse during a competition to keep his handicap high.

Well, that's true. But it would be a strange sort of sandbagger who deliberately posted high scores in games that mean something, in order to maintain a high handicap for those that don't.

[Lihu]

Well, that's true. But it would be a strange sort of sandbagger who deliberately posted high scores in games that mean something, in order to maintain a high handicap for those that don't.

Not strange, unethical.

[chasm]

Quote:

Originally Posted by chasm

Well, that's true. But it would be a strange sort of sandbagger who deliberately posted high scores in games that mean something, in order to maintain a high handicap for those that don't.

Not strange, unethical.

What do you mean, not strange? The point of maintaining a handicap is to enable one to compete. Doing what you describe would enable the player to maintain a competitive advantage which he then deliberately voids by choosing to play badly in competition. Not strange?

[Lihu]

What do you mean, not strange? The point of maintaining a handicap is to enable one to compete. Doing what you describe would enable the player to maintain a competitive advantage which he then deliberately voids by choosing to play badly in competition. Not strange?

Do people play outside of tournaments for money in UK?

[rkim291968]

Hit some balls at the range and I feel I've got my swing accuracy back to where it was 10 months ago.   Let's see if this feeling translates into lowering my HI finally.

[chasm]

Do people play outside of tournaments for money in UK?

Some do, of course. But rarely with strangers, and those who often post scores substantially below their handicap soon find it pretty difficult to find any takers.