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Hi all, just wondering what people view as the most forgiving ‘players’ iron? I know the term players iron is pretty subjective but I mean irons that can be worked and would generally have a pretty thin top line and sole.
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I would say probably the ping i10 or perhaps the CG Red

those are pretty forgiving irons but i dont think the cg reds are a players iron they seem to me to be marketed to the 10-15 handicapper.

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MP-57's have a nice forgiveness level.

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Being able to work the ball and having forgiveness is a little bit of a contradiction. Part of what factors into forgiveness is MOI. More forgiving clubs typically have higher MOI, which means it resists opening and closing of the clubface through impact. That is, it takes more hand action to work clubs with higher MOI. If you are pretty strong, you can work anything. What you want to find is the highest MOI that allows you to work the ball the amount you want. Since this is usually just a little bit of a fade or a draw, higher MOI works fine. Most "Players" clubs have pretty low MOI. You must have really good control to not overwork these clubs and maintain solid contact. Regarding your question, I would recommend Maltby MMB muscleback blades. They're the most forgiving blade I've ever seen. It isn't surprising, though, since Ralph Maltby prefers forgiveness. These blades are cheap, have a pretty high MOI, have the look of a blade, but are ever-so slightly larger. The sole isn't the thinnest around, but it's thinner than most cavity-backs. I'd try them out before dropping a lot of dough on something.

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Being able to work the ball and having forgiveness is a little bit of a contradiction. Part of what factors into forgiveness is MOI. More forgiving clubs typically have higher MOI, which means it resists opening and closing of the clubface through impact. That is, it takes more hand action to work clubs with higher MOI.

That's not true at all. What hinders a player's ability to "work" a game improvement club is:

a) more weight low in the clubhead b) thicker sole c) more offset If you're working the ball, you're hitting the center or very close to the center of the clubface, and MOI has NOTHING to do with shots hit on the sweet spot.

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I'd say Taylor Made has that market covered.

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i think the i10's, i5's or even the ap1s.

my iron's aren't as forgiving as the 1's.

my old cobra carbon cb's were very forgiving!
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What hinders a player's ability to "work" a game improvement club is:

Maybe there's some confusion about what 'work' means. I mean actively using the hands and timing of the release in order to impart sidespin and control trajectory. The club's MOI centered about the center of mass of the club head has little to do with this directly. You are right. But the MOI centered about the shaft has a lot to do with it. And there is a somewhat dependent relationship between the two. In order to get higher MOI about the COG, weight is moved towards the toe and heel. This tends to make the club head longer which raises the shaft centered MOI and reduces workability. It makes it harder to square the clubface, which is why a lot of longer club heads are also offset. I would say workable clubs are easier, not harder to square.

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Maybe there's some confusion about what 'work' means.

That's not where the confusion comes in. I know what "working" the ball means.

But the MOI centered about the shaft has a lot to do with it. And there is a somewhat dependent relationship between the two. In order to get higher MOI about the COG, weight is moved towards the toe and heel. This tends to make the club head longer which raises the shaft centered MOI and reduces workability.

I guess you don't seem to realize how

little that matters. The distance the center of gravity is from the shaft barely moves, after all, and it's not going to move enough to drastically affect the MOI about the clubshaft.
It makes it harder to square the clubface, which is why a lot of longer club heads are also offset. I would say workable clubs are easier, not harder to square.

Your argument is also predicated upon the assumption that the player of these high-MOI-about-the-shaft irons hasn't adjusted his timing in order to properly close or hold off the clubface, which I find silly. It's not "harder" to close the clubface, it's just different. I don't make any adjustments to my swing with my driver, but the MOI about the shaft is way, way higher with that club than it is with my 3W. Same swing. MOI about the shaft is an insignificant issue.

Put another way: You're arguing that it's tougher to "work" a game improvement club because of the higher MOI around the club shaft tends to leave the face open, but that added MOI is a teeny, tiny number. It's basically irrelevant. The other factors inherent in GI iron design are orders of magnitude more important in this discussion, and even those are fairly small factors. "Game improvement" clubs exist for off-center, poor contact. Hit the ball on the center of the clubface and the other factors come into play (offset, lower CG, etc.). MOI around the shaft is the smallest of those factors, and that's ONLY if you can't adjust to a set of clubs.

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Your point is well taken.

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Ping eye2s (lol), Taylor Made r7 TP maybe?

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