If Tiger switched to Stack & Tilt...

Heh heh heh.

The simple fact is that Tiger - like every PGA Tour pro - does 80 to 90% of Stack and Tilt already. Could he do more? Yes. Which parts? Just one, really - he could take his hands in deeper and stop pushing them away from his chest, well above the plane. That's it. If Tiger doesn't want to be laid off, he can still take his hands in. He just wouldn't lift. Lifting is how bad players extend their swings and lifting is how Tiger used to get a little across the line. Tiger "switching" would involve repairing the main thin Hank Haney has worked on. Tiger already does a lot of S&T.; His head is fairly well centered (he could side tilt a bit more with the long clubs, the driver especially, which would also help his hands get the necessary depth). He pushes forward with the hips and jumps well. He obviously has the fundamentals down and somewhat understands the circle. The hand depth would eliminate his need to "time" the flip he has going on now because he has a heck of a time coming down on plane. He's still a good golfer so he still finds the golf ball, but it's rarely on plane. He's either over the top (literally, like a bogey golfer) or he's "stuck" underneath the plane and has to time the flipping. Tiger hits four shots now depending on which type of swing he has - the over the top or the stuck under one - pulls and pull-fades or blocks and big hooks. Guys have immediate success with S&T; simply because everything is categorized. Instead of saying "swing your shoulders on a steeper angle" S&T; classifies and categorizes HOW and WHY to do that. Or "keep your head still" or whatever... it's all classified and clarified. It's all easy to measure. This thread may get some haters in it, but I dare any S&T; hater to come to a Golf Evolution school. You will improve - measurably - and you'll understand WHY you improved and HOW to continue to improve. You don't need to overdo the feelings like you see in the magazines. Your weight still transfers to the right on the backswing. It's nowhere near a reverse pivot. It's fine for your back. Blah blah blah. But getting back to Tiger - I'd just have him get his hands on the plane and leave 'em there. Instant fix. It works EVERY time because the geometry is simple. Geometry doesn't care who's swinging the club.

No they don't.

I'll make you a bet. Hit every shot dragging the club along the ground for two feet. It's the epitome of "low and slow" right? Work really hard at it. Come back in a year and let us know how it's going for you. Any swing idea will work as long as you commit to it??? No. And they don't work on the same principles. Some swings have loops. Some want an early wrist set. Some want you to get to toe up with your hands away from your chest, while others want you to stay square to the plane with your hands on the plane. AJ Bonar thinks you can do whatever you want so long as you swing the stupid little bat.

I don't know. Sounds like making excuses for Tiger. Didn't he have distractions when he was juggling tens of women and keeping it all a secret?

Simple solution: say what you mean.

And no, I didn't know what you meant. Hank Haney has an "established" swing technique that doesn't seem to be helping Ray Romano and definitely didn't help Charles Barkley. David Leadbetter is known as "Lead Poison" for ruining the careers of a number of golfers. Pros have long established many stupid things and stuck to their guns when challenged. The fact that there are still teachers who think the ball flight laws are "swing path = initial directon" is proof of that - you can't teach someone properly if THAT's your model for why the ball flies the way it does. I get that you want to be the anti-S&T; voice of reason or something, but I think you don't quite know what S&T; is, really - another topic for another thread... I also think this thread's doomed (and pointless), but will reiterate that Tiger does 80%+ of S&T; (as do all PGA Tour pros), and the component he most needs (which would NOT make him a "model" S&T; swinger) is the proper hand path.

Because, if you're a superstar, you are likely to stick with what got you there. The only real candidates are former superstars who have fallen off the planet. Weir did it, Baddeley did it... JJ Henry has been playing pretty well this year (not a true superstar among them, but still...). Many of the guys in the S&T; camp are, for whatever reason, guys who might not otherwise even be on the PGA Tour with another instructor.

There are other (and I would argue oftentimes more complex) ways to hit a golf ball. PGA Tour superstars are very good at what they do. Changing would be dumb for almost all of them... which makes Tiger changing his swing twice already all the more amazing.

Mike and Andy teach more players on the PGA Tour than anyone else.

No kidding.

"The only thing you know" and you're dead wrong with it? Cheers!

Then I'm not either. Yay!

Tiger played his Wednesday practice round at the PLAYERS with Sean O'Hair and Hunter Mahan.

Both are students of Sean Foley.

That is all.