Maybe I need easier to hit irons?

**Fat Slice** · July 27, 2010

My index runs from 18-20, back and forth. I am on vacation and used some rental clubs. The irons were TM Burner XD I think...they were GI and looked a lot like my old R7 draw clubs.

While I was dealing with wind and also trying to figure out distances I managed to put in 36 holes and the 9s broke down: 41 42 47 41. I currently play with MP58s and have for a couple of years. It could be a fluke, who knows...but maybe the Mizunos are too demanding for me and I should think about finding something easier to hit.

Just trying to noodle through this one...

**double_j** · July 27, 2010

My index runs from 18-20, back and forth. I am on vacation and used some rental clubs. The irons were TM Burner XD I think...they were GI and looked a lot like my old R7 draw clubs.

Don't go as much by scores as how you hit the irons. The lower scores could have been due to a number of factors, including the course (even if similarly rated to what you normally play), weather conditions, etc. and all of those things we don't usually think about when we have a good round.

If you truly did hit the ball better then maybe it's worth having yourself fitted to see what really suits you.

**ks8829** · July 27, 2010

did you score well because you had a good puting and short game round? or was it the irons? Can you demo the same club and play your course to see it it is truly the irons.

**groovezilla79** · July 28, 2010

It MIGHT be the clubs. The MP series is generally geared for lower handicaps. I know the MP52's (very simliar to the 58's) had a "core handicap range" of 4-16. You may want to look at the Mizuno MX line. They still have that soft forged Mizuno feel, but have the forgiveness of those TMs you tried.

However, the length, loft and lie of those TMs are WAY different than Mizuno. I'm assuming the course rentals are at least standard loft and lie. So, unless you've had those MP58's adjusted to be the same specs as a TM, then they will definately play different. Maybe you just need those MP58's to be more upright? Just a thought.

**Fat Slice** · July 29, 2010

OOps for the record I have MP57s at home.

So I went out again yesterday and paid closer attention to my game. I shot a 40+47. I hit almost every green on the front and missed all the birdie putts. However...I don't think it was the irons. My drives had me in the fairway consistently. Also, missing the green did not penalize me so much as the rough wasn't really rough and the sand was fluffy. I think it was a combo of hitting the driver straight (burner w/stiff shaft, choked up) and the simple short game challenge. I lost interest in putting on the back 9 as the greens had been versicut and sanded. They're going to deep water and roll them for a tournament on Sunday. Didn't help me.

I have two more rounds in Hawaii - one of them at Waialae (woo hoo!) and the other at MidPac, which I heard is also very nice.

I really can't believe I am on vacation with my wife and baby and am going to get in 5 rounds of golf in 10 days.

So as for the irons....I have a set of Nickent 3DX at home I never played (got them for when a friend wants to go out with me but has no clubs) and also my old set of R7 draw irons. I could take them out and see how I do.

I also think the advice on loft and length is good and I will go for a fitting. I tried some Mizuno MX series wedges...they went in the bag with the 3DXs.

**Leftygolfer** · July 29, 2010

I had MP60s and had to get rid of them. The misses put me in bad places. I get away with more now and like the higher ball flight. My personal weakness is mid iron play and with the mizunos I had I got killed for that. I do not regret making the change to something I can mishit and still hit a green.

**Shorty** · July 29, 2010

I really can't believe I am on vacation with my wife and baby and am going to get in 5 rounds of golf in 10 days.

I'll bet she can't either. What a great holiday for her.

Gives a new meaning to "quality time"

**Joeyvee** · July 29, 2010

Both of those courses aer great. Try Ko'Olau too. Well I guess you cant if you only have 2 days left. What courses have you been playing? Wait.. Lemme think. TM Burner rentals are at Prince and... Coral Creek? Coral Creek is my favortie public course here.

**trickymicky69** · July 30, 2010

I have MP57 irons 4-pw and dont find them difficult to hit unless I really go after one.

Even then it will be in the middle of the face but will produce a power fade

**shades9323** · July 30, 2010

I have MP57 irons 4-pw and dont find them difficult to hit unless I really go after one.

Just curious, if you find them not difficult to hit, why is you hc 20?

**Leftygolfer** · July 30, 2010

My index went up 3 points when I switched to a players cavity. Nothing else changed except my scores.

**trickymicky69** · July 30, 2010

Just curious, if you find them not difficult to hit, why is you hc 20?

Because I am very errant with the big stick and it costs me many shots

Par 3's are a complete different story Also I play the hardest course in my area (links) I played today at an easier course and shot an 88 (which would make me a 16) Also i have only been playing 11 months so my course management is terrible

**Fat Slice** · July 31, 2010

I'll bet she can't either. What a great holiday for her.

Haha! She says she's having a great time and that you're a dick :)

Both of those courses aer great. Try Ko'Olau too. Well I guess you cant if you only have 2 days left. What courses have you been playing? Wait.. Lemme think. TM Burner rentals are at Prince and... Coral Creek? Coral Creek is my favortie public course here.

Big island I played mauni lani north and south and later hapuna. I just got to Aina Hina and will play WCC and MidPac.

I got the burners from the Fairmont. NOTE...joining the Fairmont Presidents Club i s free and as a member you get free club rentals even for off property courses. BOOYA...saved me a ton.

**WUTiger** · July 31, 2010

did you score well because you had a good puting and short game round? or was it the irons? Can you demo the same club and play your course to see it it is truly the irons.

Easier-to-hit irons depends a lot on what you do with a given type of club. Mizuno rates the MP-57 model for a

core handicap range of 1 to 10. You put together your own mixed set: hybrids in place of longer irons, and player's cavity clubs for 6I to PW. This could work, depending on whether you have much time to practice. As others have said, you would have to compare conditions at your home course, vs. those where you shot four nines in the 40s. It you could test out those irons at your home course, that would tell you which way to go. Or, you might end up just practicing a bit more with your shorter irons. I have broken 80 twice in my life, shooting 77 both times. The second time was with rented Wilson clubs on vacation in late February. Leaves were off the trees... the dry, somewhat fluffy greens took 8-iron chip shots very well... not much break on the putts... set had a big-headed 3W that I just smoked all day long. Plus, I birdied the No. 1 HDCP hole with a chip in from 30 yds. out in the fairway. It was a case where the conditions matched my game - no big push to switch to Wilson.

**Fat Slice** · August 7, 2010

EH, whoops....my first round back home and I shoot a 41/42 (83) with the old mizzys.

As Roseanna Roseannadanna says... "NEVER MIND!"

**chilly** · August 8, 2010

I just sold my MP52s after a few months trying them out. My misses just never got to the green, where my MX23s would still let me at least find the putting surface. Also lost a bit of distance with the MPs. Figure my swing just isn't up to the tougher to hit irons right now, and I'm happier for the change.

**Fat Slice** · November 7, 2010

So I am again thinking of new easier to hit irons and have been trying the JPX800 and Adams CB2. I have to get a stiff shaft Adams to really try it out, but the JPX is super easy to hit, and hit straight. I'll try it out some more and then figure out what to do...

**glbrum** · November 7, 2010

Just out of curiosity, what is your miss with the MP57's?

I just picked up a set of Mizuno JPX 800 Pro's. I will say the MP57's are just BUTTER as I tried them out as well when I was looking for new clubs, but I knew that I needed something with more forgiveness. The 800Pros are that for me. I just got my swing dialed in with them 2 days ago [had em for 6 weeks of limited play/practice] and I couldn't be happier. Suffice it to say the 800's are a great club that you'll really like.

EDIT TO ADD: I also tried the CB2's before finding the 800's and I found them a lot harder to hit than the 800's. I guess it was love at first hit with the 800's where it was the complete opposite with the CB2's for me. More of a n=1 testimonial there, but take it for what it's worth. good luck on the club hunt.

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