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Need some clarifications for white and red stakes. As far as I know, white and red stakes indicate out of bound and later hazard, respectively. Is there any exception to these?

Some guys in our league flight interpret white: lateral hazard and red: OB depends on the course.

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One of the courses I play regularly actually can be somewhat confusing in this regard.  They use a single pair of white stakes on either side of the fairway to mark 150 yards and another pair of red stakes to mark 100 yards.  They also use white stakes to mark OB and red to mark lateral.  After you play the course once or twice you can tell the difference easily, but the first time you play it get's a little confusing.

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I've never seen a golf course that used anything other than white for OB and red for lateral water hazards.

White is always designated as OB unless its clearly in bounds and then it will be GUR.

Red ALWAYS marks a lateral water hazard.

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White can also be used to mark the outer boundaries of a large area of ground under repair.  In such a case there is usually some other indicator, a sign or a notice in the pro shop.

Red stakes always indicate a lateral water hazard .  That is even stated in the Rules of Golf.  If you play any course where that isn't so, then they had better get it figured out.  From the rule book definition for lateral water hazard :

Note 1: That part of a water hazard to be played as a lateral water hazard must be distinctively marked. Stakes or lines used to define the margin of or identify a lateral water hazard must be red.

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MEfree Great Member

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A bit of a thread jump here, but I have played several courses where red (water) and white (ob) stakes are very close to each other...very frustrating playing them for the first time as I had no idea if I should be taking a drop from the water or going back to the tee to hit another ball.  I know it depends on where (I think) the ball ended up, but I truly had no idea...

How would you handle it given current rules?  Do you think some changes should be made to either the course or the rules to make this more clear cut for players who don't know the course well enough to know if they are in the hazard or OB?

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There are three types of stakes one will encounter on a golf course. [COLOR=Gray]White stakes[/COLOR] indicate out of bounds. Hitting a ball out of bounds encounters a one-stroke penalty, and next stroke must be played from the original spot. [COLOR=Yellow]Yellow stakes[/COLOR] indicate a water hazard. A water hazard typically lies perpendicular to (across) the direction of play. Hitting a ball in a water hazard encounters a one-stroke penalty, with two options for the next stroke. [LIST=1] [*] The stroke may be played from the original spot. [*] The stroke may be played from any spot on a line extending from the hole through where the ball entered the hazard, no closer to the hole. [/LIST] [COLOR=Red]Red stakes[/COLOR] indicate a lateral water hazard. A lateral hazard typically runs parallel to (along) the direction of play. Hitting a ball into a lateral water hazard encounters a one-stroke penalty, with three options for the next shot. [LIST=1] [*] The stroke may be played from the original spot. [*] The stroke may be played within two club-lengths from where the ball entered the hazard, no closer to the hole. [*] The stroke may be played within two club-lengths from a spot on the margin of the hazard, equidistant to the hole from where the ball entered the hazard, no closer to the hole. [/LIST]

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A bit of a thread jump here, but I have played several courses where red (water) and white (ob) stakes are very close to each other...very frustrating playing them for the first time as I had no idea if I should be taking a drop from the water or going back to the tee to hit another ball.  I know it depends on where (I think) the ball ended up, but I truly had no idea...

How would you handle it given current rules?  Do you think some changes should be made to either the course or the rules to make this more clear cut for players who don't know the course well enough to know if they are in the hazard or OB?

Remember that the rules don't know the difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a mud puddle. Once a ball enters a hazard, out of bounds is irrelevant as long as the ball stays in the hazard. You're entitled to a drop from where the ball entered the hazard.

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Originally Posted by Chilli Dipper

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Originally Posted by MEfree

A bit of a thread jump here, but I have played several courses where red (water) and white (ob) stakes are very close to each other...very frustrating playing them for the first time as I had no idea if I should be taking a drop from the water or going back to the tee to hit another ball.  I know it depends on where (I think) the ball ended up, but I truly had no idea...

How would you handle it given current rules?  Do you think some changes should be made to either the course or the rules to make this more clear cut for players who don't know the course well enough to know if they are in the hazard or OB?

Remember that the rules don't know the difference between the Atlantic Ocean and a mud puddle. Once a ball enters a hazard, out of bounds is irrelevant as long as the ball stays in the hazard. You're entitled to a drop from where the ball entered the hazard.


From what he described, it was difficult to be certain whether the ball was in the hazard or OB because of the relative positions of the stakes.  In case of doubt, it has to be ruled as out of bounds.  For a ball to be ruled as in the water hazard, it must be known or virtually certain that it is in fact in the hazard.

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Originally Posted by Chilli Dipper

Yellow stakes indicate a water hazard. A water hazard typically lies perpendicular to (across) the direction of play. Hitting a ball in a water hazard encounters a one-stroke penalty, with two options for the next stroke.

The stroke may be played from the original spot.

The stroke may be played from any spot on a line extending from the hole through where the ball entered the hazard, no closer to the hole.

Red stakes indicate a lateral water hazard. A lateral hazard typically runs parallel to (along) the direction of play. Hitting a ball into a lateral water hazard encounters a one-stroke penalty, with three options for the next shot.

The stroke may be played from the original spot.

The stroke may be played within two club-lengths from where the ball entered the hazard, no closer to the hole.

The stroke may be played within two club-lengths from a spot on the margin of the hazard, equidistant to the hole from where the ball entered the hazard, no closer to the hole.



Hitting the ball into into the hazard doesn't generate a one-stroke penalty; placing or dropping a ball for relief does. The other option (with no penalty) is to play the ball where it lies within the water hazard.

Most of mine end up well within the deep wet part of the hazard, but on occasion, there's a playable lie within the marked hazard.

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Originally Posted by Fourputt

From what he described, it was difficult to be certain whether the ball was in the hazard or OB because of the relative positions of the stakes.  In case of doubt, it has to be ruled as out of bounds.  For a ball to be ruled as in the water hazard, it must be known or virtually certain that it is in fact in the hazard.

Exactly...a big disadvantage to playing a new course with both stakes near to each other.

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