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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

Hello,

 

Im a former 2hcp player and im about to get new irons but not sure about which shafts I should choose.

I have never had a problem with hitting it long but my problem has been that I hit it way too high and would like to keep the ball down a bit with my new clubs. Im 192cm tall (6'3) and will add 1/2 - 1 inch in shaft length.

 

These are the two sets I have to choose from:



 
So, its project x flighted vs dynamic gold s300. Which ones do you guys generally think would suit be best given the information above or in general?
 
Would appreciate any help on this.
 
Thanks!

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post #2 of 22
Not trying to be mean but as a former 2hcp you don't know the answer to that question?

Naturally the flighted shafts are going to hit the ball substantially higher, that's what they are made to do. The S300s are some of your lower launching shafts. If it is real problem you can always throw in some C-tapers that should really bring down the flight, or give steelfibers a shot those should help also if you get the right weight
post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 

Jspangler,

 

Thanks for your answer, id look into the s300.

 

Last time I played golf actively was in 1999. I guess the shaft technology has changed a bit since that, wouldnt you say? Not trying to be mean or anything...

post #4 of 22
Lol idk I believe the s300 and rifle flighted were still used back then.
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 

So you honestly think I would ask a question I had an answer to?

post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by dbbb View Post

So you honestly think I would ask a question I had an answer to?

I can tell you didn't the answer I'm just curious how a 2hcp didn't know the difference between a s300 and a flighted shaft that's all.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by Jspangler View Post

I can tell you didn't the answer I'm just curious how a 2hcp didn't know the difference between a s300 and a flighted shaft that's all.

For what it's worth, I've played seriously for over 40 years, much of it in the mid to low single digit range, and I don't know CRAP about shafts.

There are lots of people out there that do that for a living......
Edited by David in FL - 2/5/13 at 10:35am
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post


For what it's worth, I've played seriously for over 40 years, much of it in the mid to low single digit range, and I don't know CRAP about shafts.

There are lots if people out there that do that for a living......


Amen!

post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post


For what it's worth, I've played seriously for over 40 years, much of it in the mid to low single digit range, and I don't know CRAP about shafts.

There are lots if people out there that do that for a living......

 

While I respect what you are saying. Read the question out loud word for word. You don't have to be club fitter to know the word FLIGHTED suggest that it launches the ball higher.

post #10 of 22
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While I respect what you are saying. Read the question out loud word for word. You don't have to be club fitter to know the word FLIGHTED suggest that it launches the ball higher.

And I thought that a flighted set of shafts had differing kick points throughout the set to vary the flight characteristics of each club, higher OR lower, based on the preferences of the individual.

Guess I know even LESS than crap.....
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by David in FL View Post

And I thought that a flighted set of shafts had differing kick points throughout the set to vary the flight characteristics of each club, higher OR lower, based on the preferences of the individual.

Guess I know even LESS than crap.....

No it does have varying kickpoints which is suppose to hit long irons higher and short irons lower, but as a person that plays flighted shafts the short irons still go very high. But even if I didn't play them, why would you suggest a shaft even launches the long irons high if he was trying to bring his ball flight down?
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by Jspangler View Post

No it does have varying kickpoints which is suppose to hit long irons higher and short irons lower, but as a person that plays flighted shafts the short irons still go very high. But even if I didn't play them, why would you suggest a shaft even launches the long irons high if he was trying to bring his ball flight down?

Ahhhhhh, so a flighted set of shifts will lower the trajectory of his short irons.....
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Originally Posted by Jspangler View Post

. You don't have to be club fitter to know the word FLIGHTED suggest that it launches the ball higher.

Perhaps this is what confused me..... a2_wink.gif


Regardless, there are a lot of pretty good players out there that know squat about much more than how to get the ball around the course in the fewest strokes possible. There are also people expert in fitting/club-making that can't break 100 with a hammer. One doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the other.
post #13 of 22
If you want to believe they will lower the trajectory on short irons go with them then, I'm telling you I have tt tour concept shafts which a flighted and have never hit a ball higher 8-pw and I'm a low ball hitter. I'm not saying he needs to be a world class fitter. But what I am saying is in today's Internet world a 2hcp should know that answer. I simple google search of flighted vs non flighted will bring a pageful of answers to that question.
post #14 of 22

Hi Former 2 hcp,

 

Projext X can feel a little boardy and Dynamic Gold can fell a little hard.

Both are great shafts though.

post #15 of 22

What is your swing speed. I was at the Golf shop and had a guy fit me for free. He did it, I didn't even ask. Go get fitted. Launch angle and swing speed will tell you. I was under the impression I needed SG300's but after the fitting X100's were recommended. I have AWT shafts in my pings and they launch sooo high. Well I found out the SG300's launched too high as well. I ended up not buying anything at that time but I will be back to get my shafts replaced.

post #16 of 22

Here's the data on the two shafts:

 

 Shaft

 Weight

(Uncut)

 FCM*
 PX 6.0 flighted  120 gr.  6.5
 DG S300  130 gr.  5,8

 

The Flighted shaft will increase the launch angle of the longer irons, and decrease the launch angle of the shorter irons (prevent ballooning). Compared to the S300, it's a bit lighter in weight, but is about .7 a flex stiffer. To manufacture flighted shaft sets, you have long, medium and short-iron templates, each with different flex points. (That's one reason flighted shafts cost more, you have 3 templates per flex rather than just one).

 

The Dynamic Gold S300 is a bit heavier, but more flexible. It designed (with high flex point) to deliver a low launch angle for all the irons, as compared to a high launch angle for the Dynalite Golds.

 

You would almost have to hit both varieties to figure out which is best. Although lighter in weight, the PX is stiffer and might give less clubhead speed - which might lower the ball a bit.

 

Possibly a case where the launch-monitor differences would be negligible, and you would end up going by feel. But, you don't get the test-hit clubs online clubs before you buy.

 

  * FCM = Frequency Coefficient Matching. This metric allows comparison of shaft flexes across different manufacturers, since there's no industry standard for what constitutes an R or S flex shaft. 

post #17 of 22

WUTIGER you seem to be extremely knowledeable and willing to help assist other with your knowledge. I am confused as to what to do. I play Callway X-22 tours with a Project X 5.5 flex. I like them but feel the shaft may not be the right one for me. I believe you may have answered me before concerning the Dynamlite XP switch. Well that never came to be. Here is where I am at. I only use the 6-pw on my irons so changing shafts might be the most cost efffective approach going into the new season. I will also be using a Nike VR sand wedge with stock dynamic gold 400 and a Nike 3 hybrid with a project x 6.0 shaft. I really liked the way the ball came off this club. My driver is now 10.5 loft with a regular flex shaft as my numbers indicated a regular flex for driver.

 

I was fitted for with the Mizuno jpx pros 2 seasons ago. I ended up going with the Cally's but after looking up some specs it appears that by adding the 1/2 inch to the Callys they would be .25 inch longer than what I was fitted for. If I were to swap out the shafts I would want them to be the correct length.

 

I would want the following set up. SW-35.75 length 2 degrees upright, PW 36 2 degrees upright, 9i-36.25 2 degrees upright, 8i 36.75  2 degrees upright, 7i-37.25 2 degrees upright and 6i-37.75 2 degree upright. This is what I was fitted for with the Mizuno jpx pros 2 seasons ago plus the xp shaft was stock on the Jpx's

 

I was at Golfsmith last night and went over to the Mizuno fitting cart and played around a bit. I put a Dynamic Gold reg 1/2 longer shaft into the Jpx 800 pro as well as a Dynamic gold stiff. I was surprised by how much i enjoyed the boring flight of the Dynamic gold reg and not so much the feel of the stiff. The stiff flex felt like work when hitting the 6 iron.

 

My question to you is, is the project x flighted 5.5 shaft actually considered a regular flex? How or can you actually match up a flighted shaft to the dynamic gold shaft? I don't think at this current point in my golf game that I actually need the flighted shafts and may be able to transition nicely into the dg reg shaft. Plus I think actually playing the same type of shaft sw-6iron could be beneficial. Any info from you would be greatly appreciated. I really am not able to lay down $499 or more on new irons at this point. Do you think this is a valid idea and does it make any sense or am I just reaching at this point? Thanks and sorry to all for the hyjack and lengthy post.

post #18 of 22

jman,

 

A clarification to start: The Dynalite Gold which I mentioned (in this thread) is a classic True Temper shaft that weighs the same as the Dynamic Gold. Main difference: Dynalite was high launch, Dynamic was low launch . It appears TT has lightened the Dynalite shaft, and now has three vesions of it. The FCM comparison table I used is a couple of years old, and plotted the old Dynalite Gold rather than the new versions.

 

TT considers the PX 5.5 a firm shaft, which is between Regular and Stiff. The 5.5 has an FCM rating of 6.0, whereas a DG S300 has FCM = 5.8. Thus, the PX 5.5 is a touch stiffer than the Dynamic Gold S300. For the DG R300, FCM = 4.8.

 

I play the PX 5.0 Rifle Flighted in my X20 Tours. One reason I dared to get them was the 5.0 flex; Callaway Preowned has a bunch of X20 Tours in PX 6.0, just too stiff for most golfers. The PX 5.0 has FCM = 5.5 and weighs an average of 110 grams once installed, but feels a little stiff on days I'm not swinging well. With shafts below 95 grams, however, I spray the ball all over the place.

 

It comes down to clubhead speed - I have driver speed of about 85 mph, R-flex range - and how you load your hands (ask a pro about loading).

 

Being you've tried Mizuno, what did their Shaft Optimizer recommend for you?

 

Since you use 6i-PW in the X22s, you might consider reshafting. From your comments, you seem to be on the line between Regular and Stiff for the Dynamic Golds. What you might do is have a clubfitter reshaft your clubs in DG S300, and softstep them, or in DG R300 and hardstep them. Stepping gives you an in-between flex - the fitter can explain the details.

 

Reshaft estimate would be ($18 for DG shaft, $12 for reshaft labor, $7 for new grip), about $37 x 5 clubs = $185. Any chance could get a trade of some kind on X22s and just get fitted for new irons? (The X22 irons came out in 2009, and were not the easiest to hit).

 

As for shaft length and lie angle, that varies from club model to model. Not easy to transfer specs between club manufacturers.

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