Optimal Trackman numbers for Push draw

With a 7-iron? Some basic simple numbers assuming center contact and all that jazz.

Swing Direction (HSP): 0

AoA: -4

Club path: ~2.4

Face: 0.86

Don't want to play with tolerances that tight?

Swing Direction (HSP): 2

AoA: -4 (keeping that the same)

Club path: ~4.4

Face: 1.6

For a 6I - 9I you need about 2.8 path:face ratio for the ball to curve back to the target. More than that for wedges, 2:1 for 3I-5I, and 1.5 or so for driver/3W.

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Originally Posted by iacas 

With a 7-iron? Some basic simple numbers assuming center contact and all that jazz.

 

Swing Direction (HSP): 0

AoA: -4

Club path: ~2.4

Face: 0.86

 

 

Don't want to play with tolerances that tight?

 

Swing Direction (HSP): 2

AoA: -4 (keeping that the same)

Club path: ~4.4

Face: 1.6

 

For a 6I - 9I you need about 2.8 path:face ratio for the ball to curve back to the target. More than that for wedges, 2:1 for 3I-5I, and 1.5 or so for driver/3W.

Yeah you need to have a face "buffer", in case you don't have the skills to return the face to .86 aimed right, every time.

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Originally Posted by poser 

Thanks guys.  SO just so I get this right you say it would be better to be 2 to the right instead of zero'ed out ?  What about the fat shots could that be from the path being to far out to the right?  I've always driven the ball well but, had poor iron play.  When I moved the path more left my irons were more solid but, driver was worse.

I just shifted the HSP to keep the AoA the same  (-4 is good for a 7I) but have a swing more to the right so you could push the ball a bit more and make every shot draw. With a path only 2.4 degrees right (PGA Tour level, and even then probably not as many as you might think) it wouldn't take much to get a shot that basically went straight right or even faded a little 2.5 - 0.86 is a face error of 1.64°. Good luck! :D

Fat shots? When you swing left more (RHG), you tend to move the low point forward simply due to the way you're built. When you swing to the right more you tend to shift low point farther back. You have a choice - do what I'll say below (two swings) OR figure out why your iron swing tends to fat the ball (Keys #1 - #3 - and judging from the videos in your My Swing thread it's likely a #3 issue, since the numbers you shared in the first post don't indicate a poor #4).

I don't think both shots are hit with one swing. I think the fact that the ball is in the air gives you room to do things differently with the driver than with balls hit from the ground. You can have two swings.

There are a lot of PGA Tour players who play one shape (and one swing) with their drivers and a different shape (and a slightly different swing - we're not talking about wholesale changes here) with their irons.

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Originally Posted by poser 

Thanks guys.  SO just so I get this right you say it would be better to be 2 to the right instead of zero'ed out ?  What about the fat shots could that be from the path being to far out to the right?  I've always driven the ball well but, had poor iron play.  When I moved the path more left my irons were more solid but, driver was worse.

Fat shots with the path too far right is too much early extension which can move the head and low point back on the downswing.  The "fix" should definitely not be so start swinging left, you'd just hit low cuts.  When players early extend they tend to lift the right heel off the ground, plantar flex, and have the pressure go to the heel of the left foot.  So in general a good feel would be more pressure towards the toes of your left foot, really "crush" that left foot into the ground.  This pressure feel will keep the hips slanted longer into the downswing, which will keep the head more steady.  For you Poser, just depends how you Key#1 and 2 are doing.  Just from seeing your swing I remember you have a tendency for some EE.

Like Erik said, with you it's probably a Key#3 issue, this might be a good video to check out

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Originally Posted by mvmac 

Fat shots with the path too far right

To be clear, Mike's answering generally. A path of 5 is not "too far right" for someone who wants to play a push-draw, especially with any sort of negative AoA.

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Originally Posted by iacas 

 

To be clear, Mike's answering generally. A path of 5 is not "too far right" for someone who wants to play a push-draw, especially with any sort of negative AoA.

Yes thanks Erik and agree if we have an AoA of 3-4 then a 5 path is pretty good.

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Originally Posted by poser 

After changes swing (7 iron)

 

Swing direction: 0-1 degrees

Angle of attack: -4.2

Club path: +3 ish

Face angle: +1.5ish

The guy in your avatar pic can't do that