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post #1 of 43
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Went to Houston for the weekend, just because I couldn't take this Chicago weather anymore. Ended up playing Tour 18. Played first 18 in 2.5h and went out around 9:30 to play another 18.

On the second hole I run into a 4 some who also had another 4 some in front of them. They were moving ok, but you know, I was a single.

I ended up catching up to those guys on every single tee box. Just sat right behind them, and they never let me play me through.

Now to the point of the story, 3 older gentleman playing up front and a guy playing from tips. This guy played well, probably high single digits or so. Anyways, I could tell a couple times the older gentleman wanted to make the move and let me play through, but it was the single handicap guy who would basically make the decision and push them along, while giving me this weird stare.

I always felt it was up to the better players to show good golf etiquette, let's just say I was very disappointed by what I saw.

Any similar experiences?
post #2 of 43
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Went to Houston for the weekend, just because I couldn't take this Chicago weather anymore. Ended up playing Tour 18. Played first 18 in 2.5h and went out around 9:30 to play another 18.

On the second hole I run into a 4 some who also had another 4 some in front of them. They were moving ok, but you know, I was a single.

I ended up catching up to those guys on every single tee box. Just sat right behind them, and they never let me play me through.

Now to the point of the story, 3 older gentleman playing up front and a guy playing from tips. This guy played well, probably high single digits or so. Anyways, I could tell a couple times the older gentleman wanted to make the move and let me play through, but it was the single handicap guy who would basically make the decision and push them along, while giving me this weird stare.

I always felt it was up to the better players to show good golf etiquette, let's just say I was very disappointed by what I saw.

Any similar experiences?

 

As long as the group in front of you was keeping pace with the group in front of them, they were right not to let you play through. I know it can be frustrating, but going to a popular course on the weekend as a single is just asking to wait on every hole.

 

And you're right, it's not the hackers in this scenario. They didn't know any better. It was the better player that knew letting you play through wasn't the right move.

post #3 of 43
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Umm I didn't explain. My fault. Those were the only other people on the front 9.
post #4 of 43

Ummm,,,yeah,,,

 

I would say the thread was mis-named. Should be more along the lines of : Hacker(12.2) complains about not letting to get to play through!!!!!!!

 

 

post #5 of 43

My course has a few holes playing in opposite directions and a loop from holes 7-11, so if the course is crowded you can see the next few groups, but if it's wide open you can jump from one par 5 to the next, which I sometimes will do. When you're going fast enough to lap people at 36 holes in around 4-5 hours, it's hard not to run into people unless the course is totally empty.

 

At the end of the day, all foursomes are slow as hell if you're a single or pair. Few old men are fast, and many single digit players are really slow. But there's no real trend in terms of who has good etiquette or is considerate.

 

@Parker0065 I wouldn't consider a 12hcp a hacker. Maybe because I am one, but someone playing off 12 is in the top third of all golfers who keep handicaps, and better if you add those who don't. Generally if you give someone a stroke per hole I'd say you can get away with calling someone a hack. Unless you're a +6 I'd stick with people worse than bogey golfers with that label. 

post #6 of 43
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Ummm,,,yeah,,,

I would say the thread was mis-named. Should be more along the lines of : Hacker(12.2) complains about not letting to get to play through!!!!!!!


Yes I know it's all relative, but notice I never said I wasn't a hack. ;) I complained that a player with a lot more skill, relative to me, (I know, to you he was still a hack) would not let me play through.

Sounds like I was completely mistaken. I hope I keep my arrogance to minimum throughout my journey, though.
post #7 of 43
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On the second hole I run into a 4 some who also had another 4 some in front of them. They were moving ok, but you know, I was a single.

@geauxforbroke mentioned it, but if the group in front of you was keeping up with the group in front of them, I wouldn't expect anyone to let you through. If the foursome in front of you lets you through, but the one in front of them doesn't, well then everyone is still not going anywhere.

 

When this happens, I would have spent some extra time on the greens after you holed out (assuming there was no one waiting on you) or even just declared it a practice round and hit multiple balls. Honestly, whenever I go out as a single and I don't want to wait for people who won't let me play through, I just skip a few holes.

post #8 of 43
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Yes I know it's all relative, but notice I never said I wasn't a hack. ;)


^^^ Yep. :-D 

 

Even the biggest fish in a small pond.

 

With two groups on the nine I would have let you play through. That said, when I am the single I expect to have to wait so I just relax and enjoy the day.

 

I shot one of my best scores ever on a day like that where I was forced to slow down and relax before every shot. I tried to stay far enough back so they wouldn't feel pressured and let me play through. Sort of accidentally caught them when I went around a corner to the 17th tee box before they got off. When they asked if I wanted to play through I told them no, and that I wasn't about to change my luck.

post #9 of 43

I would have let you through in that scenario, knowing/hoping that the one remaining group would have done the same.....not only is it courteous, it saves me from feeling like I'm being pushed, even when I'm not.  Having said that, if the course hadn't been clear ahead of the 2d group, and as long as they were keeping up, they were under no obligation to let you through at all.

 

That happens to me a lot.  I play as a two ball with a good buddy a lot.  We're very fast.  But, you can only move as fast as the rest of the course.  It does no good to fight your way through group after group.  I do get a little anxious, in a scenario like yours though, knowing that we could make it through both groups in a couple of minutes and likely save at least an hour on the round.  A lot of groups don't look ahead and consider that you could quickly get through both groups though.

post #10 of 43
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^^^ Yep. :-D 

 

Even the biggest fish in a small pond.

 

With two groups on the nine I would have let you play through. That said, when I am the single I expect to have to wait so I just relax and enjoy the day.

 

I shot one of my best scores ever on a day like that where I was forced to slow down and relax before every shot. I tried to stay far enough back so they wouldn't feel pressured and let me play through. Sort of accidentally caught them when I went around a corner to the 17th tee box before they got off. When they asked if I wanted to play through I told them no, and that I wasn't about to change my luck.


I was experiencing the complete opposite!! I played pretty well in the morning, when I could go at my own pace, and then the waiting got to me on my second 18. :/

 

I didn't mention this before, but I was trying to make it back to the airport to get back to Chicago at a reasonable time.  I was there for 1 day just to get 2 quick rounds in and go back.  In a normal situation, I don't ever schedule anything after my round, knowing that sometimes you are done after 3 hours, and sometimes after 6. ;)  I ended up finishing after the front 9.

post #11 of 43
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I was experiencing the complete opposite!! I played pretty well in the morning, when I could go at my own pace, and then the waiting got to me on my second 18. :/

 

I didn't mention this before, but I was trying to make it back to the airport to get back to Chicago at a reasonable time.  I was there for 1 day just to get 2 quick rounds in and go back.  In a normal situation, I don't ever schedule anything after my round, knowing that sometimes you are done after 3 hours, and sometimes after 6. ;)  I ended up finishing after the front 9.


I can see that happening too. If I was in a hurry and intended to play a fairly quick round (which is sometimes the case) I would be very unlikely to play very well at all if somebody was slowing me down.

 

Of course I would blame my bad play more on my own mindset than anyone else.

post #12 of 43
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I was experiencing the complete opposite!! I played pretty well in the morning, when I could go at my own pace, and then the waiting got to me on my second 18. :/

 

I didn't mention this before, but I was trying to make it back to the airport to get back to Chicago at a reasonable time.  I was there for 1 day just to get 2 quick rounds in and go back.  In a normal situation, I don't ever schedule anything after my round, knowing that sometimes you are done after 3 hours, and sometimes after 6. ;)  I ended up finishing after the front 9.

 

Happens to me too.  Something I really need to work on, because it's purely mental and a big part of the game.

 

We'll blast around the front in 1:10 or so, and run into a log jam on the back.  A 2 hour back nine feels like FOREVER.....and it'll really throw me off if I let it.  Again, a big mental piece that I recognize and need to get better at.

post #13 of 43
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Happens to me too.  Something I really need to work on, because it's purely mental and a big part of the game.

 

We'll blast around the front in 1:10 or so, and run into a log jam on the back.  A 2 hour back nine feels like FOREVER.....and it'll really throw me off if I let it.  Again, a big mental piece that I recognize and need to get better at.


I usually don't have a problem with waiting.  Not my mental toughness or anything.  My dad always gets mad, and I'm the patient one between us two. ;)

 

If not for the flight ahead, I wouldn't really make a big deal out of it.  Against, mostly surprised of how it happened is all. :)

post #14 of 43

if I go out as a single I will play a goat pasture (G.C.) usually they are open and cheap not the best of fairways but playable, they tend to challenge you on ball placement (yes I am a hack) but it does help me. I stay away from the munis unless it is twilight, btw this weekend is day light savings. going to start playing during the week after work (sorry to rub dirt in wound for you northern folks)

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On the second hole I run into a 4 some who also had another 4 some in front of them. They were moving ok, but you know, I was a single.

@geauxforbroke mentioned it, but if the group in front of you was keeping up with the group in front of them, I wouldn't expect anyone to let you through. If the foursome in front of you lets you through, but the one in front of them doesn't, well then everyone is still not going anywhere.

 

When this happens, I would have spent some extra time on the greens after you holed out (assuming there was no one waiting on you) or even just declared it a practice round and hit multiple balls. Honestly, whenever I go out as a single and I don't want to wait for people who won't let me play through, I just skip a few holes.

 

What is wrong with both groups letting him through?  

 

I play as a single on my home course all the time.  It is not uncommon for multiple groups to let me through.

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On the second hole I run into a 4 some who also had another 4 some in front of them. They were moving ok, but you know, I was a single.

@geauxforbroke mentioned it, but if the group in front of you was keeping up with the group in front of them, I wouldn't expect anyone to let you through. If the foursome in front of you lets you through, but the one in front of them doesn't, well then everyone is still not going anywhere.

 

When this happens, I would have spent some extra time on the greens after you holed out (assuming there was no one waiting on you) or even just declared it a practice round and hit multiple balls. Honestly, whenever I go out as a single and I don't want to wait for people who won't let me play through, I just skip a few holes.

 

What is wrong with both groups letting him through?  

 

I play as a single on my home course all the time.  It is not uncommon for multiple groups to let me through.

 

Nothing wrong with it, but I wouldn't fault anyone for not letter someone through if there isn't an open hole in front of them.

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On the second hole I run into a 4 some who also had another 4 some in front of them. They were moving ok, but you know, I was a single.

@geauxforbroke mentioned it, but if the group in front of you was keeping up with the group in front of them, I wouldn't expect anyone to let you through. If the foursome in front of you lets you through, but the one in front of them doesn't, well then everyone is still not going anywhere.

 

When this happens, I would have spent some extra time on the greens after you holed out (assuming there was no one waiting on you) or even just declared it a practice round and hit multiple balls. Honestly, whenever I go out as a single and I don't want to wait for people who won't let me play through, I just skip a few holes.

 

What is wrong with both groups letting him through?  

 

I play as a single on my home course all the time.  It is not uncommon for multiple groups to let me through.

 

Nothing wrong with it, but I wouldn't fault anyone for not letter someone through if there isn't an open hole in front of them.

 

Not even if there is a open course (2) holes in front?  IMO it would be the right thing to do to let him through.  The second group lets him through as well, and he takes at least and hour off of his round.

post #18 of 43

I play as a single fairly often and if I come up on two or more groups I won't play through even if they offer to let me. It just causes more of a log jam for those foursomes. As a single you can't expect everyone on the course to accommodate you. I will generally just take my time and if I am in a hurry for some reason then I will skip ahead of the groups and come back to the holes I missed at the end. 

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