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I had not really thought much about my right hand action as it nears the down swing bottom, but always trying to improve, I was reading something I thought interesting;  the article spoke of a push downward with the right hand just as the club begins to hinge in the break for lag.  I tried this and could feel the pressure against my RH pointing finger joint, something I don't normally feel.  I can't say this improved my swing as I thought some of you might have some input.  I hate to make swing changes, then un make them.

Do you feel a push in your right hand to help begin the lag in your swing?

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I'm not sure I understand. You push downward right before impact? Sounds like a lot of timing involved. I've never heard of this before.
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I assume your talking about your irons..?  I try to feel like my right (I'm a righty) that my right wrist is cupped, and that my left wrist is flat, or very slightly bowed. Driver, I try to feel both wrist's flat, so I can make an upward swing at the ball.

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Hmm let see what works wristy like that? A bullwhip? No mainly you tug the handle through the whip action. Perhaps a baseball bat? Or a fishing pole cast? Not wrist there..still tugging a handle through the action. Man this is really kinda hard. I do not know a good parallel example in another activity that has that wrist input..sorry.

Tom R.

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Do you feel a push in your right hand to help begin the lag in your swing?

I don't understand how a push could do anything but decrease lag, and don't understand how that could have anything to do with when the lag begins.

Unless you feel like it's a "push" with your wrist with the hand trailing or something???

Anyway: Like @Hammer 4 I "feel" like I still have some cup in my right wrist at impact. How much is actually there depends on which club I'm hitting (and how well I'm hitting it).

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I had not really thought much about my right hand action as it nears the down swing bottom, but always trying to improve, I was reading something I thought interesting;  the article spoke of a push downward with the right hand just as the club begins to hinge in the break for lag.  I tried this and could feel the pressure against my RH pointing finger joint, something I don't normally feel.  I can't say this improved my swing as I thought some of you might have some input.  I hate to make swing changes, then un make them.

Do you feel a push in your right hand to help begin the lag in your swing?

Why do you feel this is a problem with your swing?

By the time you get to impact you can't "consciously" change anything. If you're casting/flipping I would fix the cause and not the symptom.

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I'm not sure I understand. You push downward right before impact? Sounds like a lot of timing involved. I've never heard of this before.


The best way to probably put it is as a thought versus a feel since there is no way to physically manipulate anything that close to contact.

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The best way to probably put it is as a thought versus a feel since there is no way to physically manipulate anything that close to contact.

Correct, your "last chance" to do anything would around A5, lead arm parallel to the ground on the downswing.

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Interesting replies, and thanks for looking.  The internet is a wealth of information  which is sometimes the problem.  The only reason it caught my attention is I really have no sensation of my right hand doing anything on the downswing.  I have been working on doing a better job of compressing the ball so I tried it.

I can only say I was able to do it, but it added nothing to distance or accuracy.

That is the reason for my question.

Out of curiosity, do any of you have a sensation of your right hand doing anything during the downswing?

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Out of curiosity, do any of you have a sensation of your right hand doing anything during the downswing?

Depends on the player on what their priority is. You can have two golfers that achieve similar positions that will feel completely different things.

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This could be real, or not. When hitting a 8i for example, and I focus on having my right wrist semi cupped at impact, I can only barely notice it IF, I swing with a good, slower tempo, and a swing slow enough that I can feel the club head. A fast swing, is usually a bad thing for me, and I feel nada, and 90% of the time will mishit the ball. Practice walking, before you run, cuz if you can't do it slow, ya sure as shootin can't do it fast... :-D

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I use my wrist to keep position going back and up, but coming down I just want them free to release in plane. I can get them out of alignment, and like any simple hinge they can then effect the left or right tendency of the shot.

Tom R.

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Out of curiosity, do any of you have a sensation of your right hand doing anything during the downswing?

Not really.  I have had some swing thoughts while practicing that are related to either hand during the backswing ... but once the downswing starts, that's pretty much it.

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I had not really thought much about my right hand action as it nears the down swing bottom, but always trying to improve, I was reading something I thought interesting;  the article spoke of a push downward with the right hand just as the club begins to hinge in the break for lag.  I tried this and could feel the pressure against my RH pointing finger joint, something I don't normally feel.  I can't say this improved my swing as I thought some of you might have some input.  I hate to make swing changes, then un make them.

Do you feel a push in your right hand to help begin the lag in your swing?

I don't understand what you mean by 'hinge in the break for lag'. Do you mean going back or coming down?

If I understand you right, I think you are onto a good 'feel'. Dave Tutelman has done modeling that shows delaying release / holding lag is good for maximizing clubhead speed and we had an e-mail conversation highlighting the role of the trigger finger as you describe.

While you can't consciously / actively manipulate the hands through impact, the intention to push down (sort of with the heel of your right hand, correct?) through impact can help sustain R wrist cup which helps create leverage through the trigger finger on the shaft that helps save lag for impact - the 'late hit with the right hand'. It's not really a 'hit', but a trigger finger delayed release of built-up swing energy. That's why the shaft felt 'heavy' in your trigger finger - gravity wanted to take the clubhead, but by pressuring the leverage point of your hands forward, the hook / claw of the RH index finger was levering up on the bottom of the shaft. The great thing is, that if you make a big enough turn and you keep the wrists / forearms 'soft', then the finger isn't really strong enough to stop the club from releasing, but it cant helpfully delay it.

To see what I mean, hold a club at 'delivery' position (shaft parallel to to ground), making sure you have a good 'trigger finger' formed. Then do a slow motion drop of the arms & body turn to bring the club to the imaginary ball position without doing anything with your hands / forearms. The shaft should be mostly vertical with the index fingers pointing to the ground, yes? Now go back to 'delivery' and do the slow motion drop & turn while actively bowing the L wrist (back of hand facing the ground) and cupping the R wrist (the classic 'wring the towel' / 'change the chuck' move). Where are the clubhead & shaft, now?

It is possible to overdo it and 'clamp down' on release, which will give you weakish mini fades / mini push fades. If that starts happening, just remember to keep tension out of the wrists & forearms as you form the L wrist bow / R wrist cup and have an intention to release through to the target.

Just wish I could find it on every swing. :-D

Kevin

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Well you need my Genie to help you find it. All I do is swing and my Genie takes the club right out of my locked and loaded wristed cock and swings the club for me right through the ball. We have a lot of fun together. Its so much better since I started using magic. I find I dont have to worry about anything except turning. If you need him to come over and help, just click your golf shoes together three times. His last name is Petal. You will know when he shows up. His first name is Centri.

Tom R.

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Well you need my Genie to help you find it. All I do is swing and my Genie takes the club right out of my locked and loaded wristed cock and swings the club for me right through the ball. We have a lot of fun together. Its so much better since I started using magic. I find I dont have to worry about anything except turning. If you need him to come over and help, just click your golf shoes together three times. His last name is Petal. You will know when he shows up. His first name is Centri.

My problem isn't with that Genie, it's his evil nemesis quick. He's from a place called the top.

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I tried the genie thing a few times.  He's too lazy, never around when I need him then when he does help wants all the praise.  Like if didn't do anything.  LOL.

Natureboy:  I believe you are on to the idea on the downswing.  I do have a reasonably good swing and make good contact with the ball.  But, there is that quest to continue to improve and be a better ball striker.  The one thing in my mind when I swing an iron right now is to swing down the line I want the ball to go.  That thought is working for me now, but I would like to make sure my right hand is doing the best it can.  You description adds some legitimacy to the short read I saw.  My thinking is the more I understand about the swing the better I can diagnose and correct swing problems on the golf course.  Thank you for sharing that.

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I tried the genie thing a few times.  He's too lazy, never around when I need him then when he does help wants all the praise.  Like if didn't do anything.  LOL.

Natureboy:  I believe you are on to the idea on the downswing.  I do have a reasonably good swing and make good contact with the ball.  But, there is that quest to continue to improve and be a better ball striker.  The one thing in my mind when I swing an iron right now is to swing down the line I want the ball to go.  That thought is working for me now, but I would like to make sure my right hand is doing the best it can.  You description adds some legitimacy to the short read I saw.  My thinking is the more I understand about the swing the better I can diagnose and correct swing problems on the golf course.  Thank you for sharing that.

That's my goal too. I've gotten some very useful, score-lowering insight from this forum so I'm glad to pass on what I got.

The one caveat with this feel is that you may want to do it only subtly - if at all - with driver. Or if you go with the same feel on driver make sure the ball position is a ball or two forward of where you contact your irons.

Kevin

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