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Picking Up The Pieces


mcanadiens

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Needless to say I was very angry when I heard the news of Kittyhawk being closed permanently last week. Then certain people kind of hit a sensitive button for me. Let's call it my money button.

Anytime I feel I'm getting done over, my reaction is over-the-top rage. As it turns out, some of that may have been unwarranted. I communicated with the City yesterday and was told that refund proposals were in the process of being mailed out. Not sure what the proposals will be, but it sounds like it will be something anyhow. 

You see, Kittyhawk wasn't just some raggedy courses that I had a pass for. It was my golf community. A place where I knew the people, was a member of an Association that had regular events and knew I could get on at least one of the three courses anytime I showed up. For a loner like me it was a sense of connection. Now it's all gone.

The point of this blog is going to be about where do I go from here both in the short term sense of the remainder of the year and future years.

Obviously the amount of a refund that I end up getting will greatly effect what options I have. Normally, speaking I allocate $400 for additional greens fees beyond what my pass covers and this year I pulled together $1,000 more for equipment and lessons. Part of the equipment budget has to go to shoes if I'm going to play at all. The pair I've been wearing are about to fall of my feet.  I'd also been planning on getting a driver to replace the relic (a 1990s Taylormade Burner) that I've had in the bag.  

Maximizing the value of that money plus any refund I obtain is the objective.

Some ideas ...

1) Purchase a similar pass for Miami Shores for the remainder of the year and play there as much as I can. 

2) Belay the driver and spend the money playing a variety of courses throughout the area. This could sort of provide me with a chance to consider other possible home courses for future years although it is hard to see anyone beating Miami Shores on location and price point.

3) Content myself to play very little actual golf and get a range pass. I could probably save some money doing this.

4) Actually retain the City of Dayton pass and play Community. (Someone is going to have to really convince me I can get enough rounds down there) 

5) Bag golf altogether and find a new hobby. (God only knows what that would be.)

I'm sure there are some things and combinations, I'm not really considering yet, but it is time to move forward.

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I got my letter. It appears that a mostly full refund is available if you consider Madden or KHGC your "home course", but I am sure there will be some kind of pro-rate for the rounds already played (15 for me). The other option is to keep the pass to Community only, but to receive some kind of reimbursement for time lost during the courses being closed. I am tempted to keep my pass, because I think I will still be able to get in 9 hole rounds on weekday nights quite often, and will schedule whatever tee times I can for weekends. I only live 2 minutes from the course, so I can always just take a few clubs up there at dusk and play some holes then too.

I hope, for your sake, that they don't do something silly like say that each round played is a 20-25 dollar deduction from refund because that is what the rates are without a pass. I would see it as fair if the $ per round played off of refund was 10 or so though. For me that would be a 700 dollar refund, which is tempting, because I don't know if I am going to get 70 rounds in with the way things are most likely going to be. I am curious what the average KHGC or Madden member will do, i.e. how many people will keep the pass even though it is only good for 2 courses now.

 

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So I didn't look close enough. On the back of page 2 in the mailer there is a table that shows percentage refunded based on rounds. I can get a refund of 80% (680 bucks if you have priv 2 and have played 15-21 times), or take credit towards rounds/carts/next year's pass (works out to about 150 bucks if they opened today). Now I am really not sure what to do, because it's black and white. Do I think I can get 530 dollars of value out of the 2 courses or not is what it comes down to.

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It's good to hear that they are offering a refund option. You guys seemed convinced that Community will be over crowded. Do you think the refund option will change that?

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52 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

It's good to hear that they are offering a refund option. You guys seemed convinced that Community will be over crowded. Do you think the refund option will change that?

That's the 530 dollar question for me. How many people will keep their passes. If it is over 33% then I don't like my odds of getting lots of rounds in. Community was already the most crowded before this, but without Madden and KHGC to fall back on if I decide to golf at any given time, it may not be worth it. If they still run leagues at Community, then I think keeping the pass is a raw deal for sure.

Making a tee time isn't that hard, but there are many days where circumstances change, and I could get out for an afternoon round on one of the 6 courses because there was always walk on room somewhere. Now a tee time will be pretty much mandatory, and I would guess that scheduling will run at least 3-4 days out on that, which to me is tough to take. On top of that, PoP will be slower since the course will be jam packed any time it is nice (that is if people keep there passes or Community sees the play that it normally does plus 10%).

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In all the years I had a pass for COD, I never made a tee time. They. Oils always get me out with another group. I tended to play during off peak hours though. I would hit community at 7PM and get 9 in. I don’t know if that will still be possible. 

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If it were me @mcanadiens, I would take the money and run. Homestead is a lot closer and quite affordable. I want to get back up to Miami Shores again MSU very it kicked my butt the last time, and I need to redeem myself. There are a lot of other courses too like the island of sugar. It’s a longer drive, but you should also check out Locust (Low Cost) Hills south of Springfield. I also want to hit Stillwater Ridge in Covington and Turtle Creek in Greenville. 

 You can take option 5 and buy a Harley, but if you think golf is expensive...

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18 hours ago, CarlSpackler said:

It's good to hear that they are offering a refund option. You guys seemed convinced that Community will be over crowded. Do you think the refund option will change that?

Yeah. The refund option should make Community a little more manageable. It'll still be tough.

Last year, I'd go by there after doing yard work at my mom's place in Beavercreek and probably got turned away three or four times. Not a big deal, because I'd shoot up 75 to Kittyhawk. Now, there's no way in hell I going that far out of my way on the chance I might get out. 

17 hours ago, Bonvivant said:

That's the 530 dollar question for me. How many people will keep their passes. If it is over 33% then I don't like my odds of getting lots of rounds in. Community was already the most crowded before this, but without Madden and KHGC to fall back on if I decide to golf at any given time, it may not be worth it. If they still run leagues at Community, then I think keeping the pass is a raw deal for sure

It's a guarantee that you aren't going to get out of it what you were hoping for. That said, being as close as you are to the place is something. I'm figuring that it might not be a whole lot easier to get out solo at Miami Shores, but I'd rather drive 5 minutes for a disappointment than 45 minutes. 

Duck got a very healthy turnout for his quota game on Friday.

11 hours ago, CarlSpackler said:

If it were me @mcanadiens, I would take the money and run. Homestead is a lot closer and quite affordable. I want to get back up to Miami Shores again MSU very it kicked my butt the last time, and I need to redeem myself. There are a lot of other courses too like the island of sugar. It’s a longer drive, but you should also check out Locust (Low Cost) Hills south of Springfield. I also want to hit Stillwater Ridge in Covington and Turtle Creek in Greenville. 

 You can take option 5 and buy a Harley, but if you think golf is expensive...

There's definitely some courses I ought to see, but it is hard to rationalize joining somewhere other that Miami Shores. Homestead and Sugar Isle are good courses for a change-up. 

I've never been to Locust Hills, but it does have the rare trait of having two courses. That is a heck of a drive though.

 

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5 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

Yeah. The refund option should make Community a little more manageable. It'll still be tough.

Last year, I'd go by there after doing yard work at my mom's place in Beavercreek and probably got turned away three or four times. Not a big deal, because I'd shoot up 75 to Kittyhawk. Now, there's no way in hell I going that far out of my way on the chance I might get out. 

It's a guarantee that you aren't going to get out of it what you were hoping for. That said, being as close as you are to the place is something. I'm figuring that it might not be a whole lot easier to get out solo at Miami Shores, but I'd rather drive 5 minutes for a disappointment than 45 minutes. 

Duck got a very healthy turnout for his quota game on Friday.

Just saw a dayton.com thing, and apparently they are going to still try to run leagues starting on June 22nd, AND they are going to run the leagues from both Madden and Kittyhawk as well....I don't know how many leagues run at the other courses, but Community itself had leagues that ran 4 days a week. Not sure how they are going to continue running every league on only 2 courses. This is a big time problem for anyone that isn't retired IMO. If they allow weekend outings (scrambles, duck game, city tournament, whatever else), it will be as good as a private club to me....no way to get on. I think what I am going to do, is try to squeeze out 6 more rounds, which will keep me in the 80% bracket, then get my refund.

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11 minutes ago, Bonvivant said:

Just saw a dayton.com thing, and apparently they are going to still try to run leagues starting on June 22nd, AND they are going to run the leagues from both Madden and Kittyhawk as well

Oh wow.  That would be insane. 

Honestly, how do you even do that? I'm sure Kittyhawk's leagues started at the same time as Community's. Are they going to start running them at noon now?

If they are serious about that, you probably ought to bail. May want to track down Dalton and ask her. I e-mailed her, but got no response.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

Oh wow.  That would be insane. 

Honestly, how do you even do that? I'm sure Kittyhawk's leagues started at the same time as Community's. Are they going to start running them at noon now?

If they are serious about that, you probably ought to bail. May want to track down Dalton and ask her. I e-mailed her, but got no response.

KH had leagues every night of the week, often on both the Hawk and Eagle. There was usually a large congregation of people from 4 -5:30. I REALLY don't see this working, but I imagine that many of these leagues are looking for new homes.

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If you were thinking of buying a local course and have a bunch of extra money, not might be a good time. I imagine the cost to re-open a formerly closed course like Greene CC would be over the top. It might not be the same as a new construction, but close.

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21 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

If you were thinking of buying a local course and have a bunch of extra money, not might be a good time. I imagine the cost to re-open a formerly closed course like Greene CC would be over the top. It might not be the same as a new construction, but close.

Ha. Ha.

I'll be like Mike and construct my own golf course. ... Now what did I do with those millions I got paid for playing professional basketball and sponsoring sneakers?

35 minutes ago, CarlSpackler said:

KH had leagues every night of the week, often on both the Hawk and Eagle. There was usually a large congregation of people from 4 -5:30. I REALLY don't see this working, but I imagine that many of these leagues are looking for new homes.

The leagues would usually be going when I'd get there for my range sessions. If I showed up too early on a Thursday the KHMA guys would try to draft me into their scramble game.

Aside from jamming all those people on @Bonvivant's course, they'd need to expand the parking lot and probably open another register or three.

Always liked the people that run the restaurant down there, the 19th Hole. Locked my damn keys in the car one day and they helped me out. Hope they rake it in this year and make up for lost time.

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The league this seems like a bit of a pipe dream (to continue them all) unless they literally book it for every week night and most of Saturday and Sunday. 19th hole is always a good stop for a post round treat, but I doubt that will open right away. I could be wrong on that though.

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55 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

Ha. Ha.

I'll be like Mike and construct my own golf course. ... Now what did I do with those millions I got paid for playing professional basketball and sponsoring sneakers?

The leagues would usually be going when I'd get there for my range sessions. If I showed up too early on a Thursday the KHMA guys would try to draft me into their scramble game.

Aside from jamming all those people on @Bonvivant's course, they'd need to expand the parking lot and probably open another register or three.

Always liked the people that run the restaurant down there, the 19th Hole. Locked my damn keys in the car one day and they helped me out. Hope they rake it in this year and make up for lost time.

That Thursday night league was crazy. I doubt Community would put up with the shenanigans (cart girls stripping, ETC.) in the 19th hole like KH did.

46 minutes ago, Bonvivant said:

The league this seems like a bit of a pipe dream (to continue them all) unless they literally book it for every week night and most of Saturday and Sunday. 19th hole is always a good stop for a post round treat, but I doubt that will open right away. I could be wrong on that though.

I would think they would try to get carryout orders and beer sales going. Beer is where they make their money.

I still wonder what Christine is going to do. I have sympathy for displaced golfers, but her business was forced to close down with little notice. I know she owned a bar in Kettering before taking over the Fairway Inn. I hope to track her down. I don't know how she will survive without me giving her 💩 all the time. Maybe they offered her something at Community.

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1 hour ago, CarlSpackler said:

Maybe they offered her something at Community.

If they are actually trying to cut costs, I wouldn't hold your breath.

 

1 hour ago, CarlSpackler said:

That Thursday night league was crazy. I doubt Community would put up with the shenanigans (cart girls stripping, ETC.) in the 19th hole like KH did.

That's wild, and I am sure an end will be put to that, unless they go to a course other than Community.

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2 hours ago, CarlSpackler said:

That Thursday night league was crazy. I doubt Community would put up with the shenanigans (cart girls stripping, ETC.) in the 19th hole like KH did.

38 minutes ago, Bonvivant said:

That's wild, and I am sure an end will be put to that, unless they go to a course other than Community.

When we do right, nobody remembers. When we do wrong, nobody forgets. - The Hell's Angels

Yeah. there were some characters at the old Fairway Inn and once in awhile there may have been a shenanigan or two. None of it is anything I though a old school biker like @CarlSpackler would object to.

 

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1 hour ago, Bonvivant said:

If they are actually trying to cut costs, I wouldn't hold your breath.

I don't hold my breath for anything these days, not when COVID-19 is on the prowl at least. It's not good to hold your breath. 😉

43 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

Yeah. there were some characters at the old Fairway Inn and once in awhile there may have been a shenanigan or two. None of it is anything I though a old school biker like @CarlSpackler would object to.

You wouldn't believe me if I told you some of the things these old eyes have seen. It would explain why there was a condom machine in the bathroom at KH. I remember the cart girls jumping in the lakes topless during the club championship years ago. Christine put a stop to all of that when she took over though.

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