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Past weekend I had a training session in GC Quad simulator at my local golf store. Took some photos of my club data. Only thing that I think stands out is the toe down with 6-10 deg at impact.
First thought is that my golf shoes (Adidas Tour 360 XT with spikes) makes me stand taller over the ball compared to other golf shose I have owned. But it can't be that simple answer.
Second thing is my hands are higher at impact than at adress. I don't have much of a dispersion problems. My Accuracy is fine most of the time. 

What can be the cause of that tow down at impact?

I have attached the photos of my 7, 8, 9 and pw.

Carry distance with each club for the session.
i7 = 150 meter (164 yds).
i8 = 139 meter (152 yds).
i9 = 132 meter (144 yds).
Pw = 122 meter (133 yds).

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j7.jpg

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Driver: Titleist GT2 8° | SureFit: B1 | Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD UB-7X
Hybrid: Mizuno CLK 16° | Shaft: Speeder HB 75 s-flex
Irons: 4 iron: Titleist T150 | 5 iron- GW: Titleist T100 | Shaft: ProjectX LS 6.0
Wedge 1: Titleist, Vokey SM10 55°/10S | Vokey SM10 60°/K* WedgeWorks | Shaft: ProjectX LS 6.0
Putter: Macgregor V-Foil M6.4K
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Hard to say with out seeing your swing, but a few thoughts came to mind. 

1. Your clubs are not fitted well for you. 
2. The handle of the club is way to high at impact. Take your grip at address, then raise the handle up, but keep the clubhead in contact with the ground. You will see the toe start to tip down. 

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1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

Hard to say with out seeing your swing, but a few thoughts came to mind. 

1. Your clubs are not fitted well for you. 
2. The handle of the club is way to high at impact. Take your grip at address, then raise the handle up, but keep the clubhead in contact with the ground. You will see the toe start to tip down. 

They are fitted well for me. I didn't have this prob,em at the fitting. But then I didn't carry the ball 164 yds as I do now.
My ball flight is good and the aim is nothing wrong with. I thinking it's a swing technique thing. I do have higher hands at impact.
When I adress the club behind the ball its sits perfect on the ground. More middle of sole than toe or heel.

Driver: Titleist GT2 8° | SureFit: B1 | Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD UB-7X
Hybrid: Mizuno CLK 16° | Shaft: Speeder HB 75 s-flex
Irons: 4 iron: Titleist T150 | 5 iron- GW: Titleist T100 | Shaft: ProjectX LS 6.0
Wedge 1: Titleist, Vokey SM10 55°/10S | Vokey SM10 60°/K* WedgeWorks | Shaft: ProjectX LS 6.0
Putter: Macgregor V-Foil M6.4K
Ball: Titleist Pro V1


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54 minutes ago, SvingIt said:

They are fitted well for me. I didn't have this prob,em at the fitting. But then I didn't carry the ball 164 yds as I do now.
My ball flight is good and the aim is nothing wrong with. I thinking it's a swing technique thing. I do have higher hands at impact.
When I adress the club behind the ball its sits perfect on the ground. More middle of sole than toe or heel.

OK, this pretty much HAS to be true.  If the club soles correctly at address, and the hands move higher, the toe HAS to tip down.  But you say your distance is OK, your dispersion is good, so is this really a problem?  I can understand your concern if you're mis-hitting shots, but if I could have consistently good contact, reasonable distance, and good lateral dispersion, I'd be pretty pleased.  Sometimes the result of the swing is more important than the numbers.

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Other possibilities:

  • The machine isn't reading the thing properly.
  • Your shaft is too light and the club is toe drooping quite a bit.

Uhm… like others said, your hands are higher at impact than they should be?

Video would be helpful here.

The contact is awfully low on the face, too. I wouldn't rule out that the machine isn't working 100% correctly.

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Thanks for all the answers. I has booked another practice session this saturday. I will try to make a video with my swing and post it here.

Driver: Titleist GT2 8° | SureFit: B1 | Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD UB-7X
Hybrid: Mizuno CLK 16° | Shaft: Speeder HB 75 s-flex
Irons: 4 iron: Titleist T150 | 5 iron- GW: Titleist T100 | Shaft: ProjectX LS 6.0
Wedge 1: Titleist, Vokey SM10 55°/10S | Vokey SM10 60°/K* WedgeWorks | Shaft: ProjectX LS 6.0
Putter: Macgregor V-Foil M6.4K
Ball: Titleist Pro V1


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