Jump to content
Check out the Spin Axis Podcast! ×
Note: This thread is 1266 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

  • Administrator
Posted
40 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

That’s actually motivating to me @iacas. Did you ever struggle with keeping your lead arm straight? I’ve done so many repetitions with this and seems the instant I go beyond 1/2 speed it bends. What’s hard for me is how it totally feels straight, just like when I’m going slow. Yet video shows I’m bending the hell out of it every time. 

No, not really.

You probably aren’t using your body enough so your arms try to make up for it.

if you can’t do it at 60% speed, why go any faster?

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted
2 minutes ago, iacas said:

No, not really.

You probably aren’t using your body enough so your arms try to make up for it.

if you can’t do it at 60% speed, why go any faster?

Well my shoulder turn is well over 90*. I’ve been measured over 100* as well. You’re right about the 60%. It’s just a feeling I suppose that if I don’t crank back farther than that I lose power. It doesn’t help that my chest is rather thick as well. I’m gonna do a grind session as you did with emphasis on my lead arm. The ‘pushing arms’ out drill you did a while back. 

:ping: G25 Driver Stiff :ping: G20 3W, 5W :ping: S55 4-W (aerotech steel fiber 110g shafts) :ping: Tour Wedges 50*, 54*, 58* :nike: Method Putter Floating clubs: :edel: 54* trapper wedge

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Posted

Great topic. I agree with you @iacas that grind really shouldn't have a negative connotation. It's just what we need to do in order to improve. I feel as if I've always done a disservice to myself by trying to go the route of self discovery. While that may work in a mental health arena (has for me), with golf it either seems to exponentially increase the time to improvement or make it unattainable in certain areas of the game. I do love hitting balls but in watching your video I feel somewhat foolish in how I've gone about things expecting improvement. Going forward part of the grind needs to include connecting with the right way of learning what needs improvement and working on one piece of that at a time. 

BO THE GOLFER

In my Top Flite stand bag:

Driver-Ping G400+ 10.5 degrees regular flex Hybrids-Ping I25 17 & 20 degrees stiff flex Irons-Ping I3 O-size 4 through lob wedge regular flex Putter-Nike Oz 6


Posted
On 11/9/2022 at 11:20 PM, iacas said:

The problem I have is that a golfer left to teach himself will often solve the problem sub-optimally. Furthermore, as you may know, I view your actual technique as a baseline, with the skill

Oh my goodness. You're talking about me. 

This is/was my problem throughout my golf life. ... "Sub-Optimally" is a euphemism for I'm liable to really f#ck things up. 

If I charted my handicap over the 30 years or so I've been playing golf it would look like a roller coaster. ... It could also be a weather report -> "Over the next 30 years or so Chet's high will be well over thirty with a low down in single digits...."  

Here's some facts about me. 

  • I'm not a natural athlete. Nobody has ever said I have rhythm. My balance sucks; Always has. It's not getting any better with age. 
  • I do try to keep a reasonable level of fitness. Not just for golf, but more for like life. 
  • When left to "teach myself" my handicap climbs. Sometime really high. 
  • Every time my handicap has gotten low (at or around single digits) it has been after at least two years working with the same coach.
  • So far I've had 3 good coaches: One from 2002-2006. One from about 2013-2016. And for the last 15 months I've been working with Yoda. (On a related note. My coach before Yoda is a really good guy, I'm still friends with him and I talk to him often. But truthfully he didn't help me. I worked with him for quite a while, but it just wasn't working. It's like that girl you tried dating then discovered you're both better off as friends... there you go.) 
  • I consider myself at least a descent student. (I'm pretty much a shining star when you look at folks coming out of the Ch!cago Publ!c Sch00L System.) 
  • I've always been willing to "put in the work". 
  • I truly enjoy practicing. If it wasn't for "real life" responsibilities I would do so even more. Sometimes its like a mistress where I sneak away to practice. 
  • My golf swing at this moment might be as good as its ever been. 

What I'm getting at is through the 90's I played golf with the teach myself approach. Sometimes I broke 100... but not often. Back then I had tons of time. I played and practiced a lot. I was also really fit back then. What I didn't understand back then was the difference between practice and exercise. 

Here are the things I wish I knew when I started: 1 - Short practice sessions more often trumps long-ass sessions of reinforcing bad swings. 2 - People who teach golf know more about how to teach golf then I do. 3 - Working on something until I get it right is good. Working on it until I can't get it wrong is much better. 

  • Thumbs Up 2

My bag is an ever-changing combination of clubs. 

A mix I am forever tinkering with. 

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Note: This thread is 1266 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    Carl's Place
    PlayBetter
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).
  • Posts

    • It was worse than that.  Under 10 course handicap I think was NDB, but 10-19 CH had a maximum score, and 20-29 had a higher one (by one).  Might have been 7 and 8, I'm going from memory here.  When my handicap was low 20s / high teens, I had to look up  my course handicap every time I had a bad hole and adjust before I posted the number.  Now there's maybe one hole per course where that might be an issue, and I have the option to enter hole-by-hole in the GHIN app anyway if I have any doubts.   I remember reading a lot of Dean Knuth's writing 15-20 years ago, when I was starting in golf.  I liked the history of the (old?) handicapping system.  I really like the changes WHS brings with par.  I suppose I'm sorry he doesn't seem to like that change, I thought it solved a problem that had been irking me. 
    • Wordle 1,811 4/6 ⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜ ⬜🟩🟨⬜⬜ 🟩🟩🟩🟩⬜ 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
    • Couple of things. In the UK they play a lot of stableford competitions. 2 points for a net par, 1 for a bogey, 3 for a birdie, 4 for an eagle, 0 for a double bogey or worse. Playing to your handicap typically means getting 36 points, being 18 x 2 points. If your course rating is a long way different from par, then playing to your handicap would mean getting 32 points or 40 points or some such. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that input from the R&A is the reason for the CR-Par adjustment, which brings it to 36 points is playing to your handicap. A round of net pars really should be playing to your handicap. Now it is. Yay. I would think the people most likely to be upset about the CR-Par adjustment would be 6 or 7 indexes whose course is par 72, with a 74/140 rating. 6.5 x 140/113 + 74 - 72 = 10. So the "single figure" golfer who has probably defined himself that way for a long time is now a 10 and getting double digit strokes. Oof. I must admit I'm a 0.0 right now (sure makes the math easy) and if I play Bethpage Black from the blues, suddenly I'm a 7. That takes a little bit of getting used to. It also means I do have to pay attention to the stroke indices to be sure of whether I'm making the net double bogey adjustment properly.  I do think it's much less likely that NDB is applied properly vs the old system where it was max double bogey or max 7 depending on handicap (I think anyway - I know it was max double bogey at my handicap level - I didn't much care about where it changed or what it changed to). NDB is clearly better, but it does mean people either have to adjust it themselves accurately (questionable) or input their hole by hole scores (also questionable). I do it, because I care about it (and don't tend to make too many scores worse than double and also rarely play courses where I'm giving strokes back to the course and would therefore have max bogey on some holes). I'm sure there are many who don't and will just guess or assume. Under the old system, if I was playing a scratch tournament (which is most of my golf), I didn't care what my course handicap or stroke allocations were. They didn't affect my posted scores at all. Now they do (although the MGA and LIGA post all scores at their events themselves directly - something I am very happy about). That is a complication under the new system - one I think is worth it given the benefits, but a complication all the same.
    • Wordle 1,811 4/6 ⬜🟩🟨⬜⬜ 🟩🟩⬜⬜⬜ 🟩🟩🟩🟩⬜ 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
    • Good analogy Stinky 😜
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.