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So I realize this is going to be a bit of a self-serving thread, but I'd love to get some advice on this...

Here is my current club configuration:
Driver : ERC II
Woods (3-5) : Burner (not sure what model, but they're not the most recent ones, as I would guess they're at least five years old)
Irons (3-PW) : MP-32
Wedge (60º): Tour Action 588 BeCu
Putter : DualForce 550

I had very little choice in how this set came together, as it was compiled mostly from clubs acquired from friends and family. This set seems acceptable for my purposes, but I do eventually want to upgrade it.

My question to you, dear Sand Trap community members, is what one purchase would you make to improve my club set most dramatically?

And one note...
I know the driver is non-conforming, and that's a bad thing. But at the moment I don't have the extra cash for a new one, so it stays for the foreseeable future.


Posted
56 degree wedge to go along with the 60 degree

or

20-24 degree hybrid club to replace one of the long irons

Titleist 910 D2 9.5 Driver
Titleist 910 F15 & 21 degree fairway wood
Titleist 910 hybrid 24 degree
Mizuno Mp33 5 - PW
52/1056/1160/5

"Yonex ADX Blade putter, odyssey two ball blade putter, both  33"

ProV-1


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I'd say 50-52 degree Gap Wedge. Your set goes from PW to 60 degrees. I'm guessing that you've learned how to hit the 60 out of the sand. Dave Peltz and others argue that the 60 degree is easier to hit out of bunkers (close to the green) than a typical sand wedge. You now need a club that fills the gap between your PW and 60 degree. Typically people hit their PW 110-130 yards and hit their 60 degree 60-100 yards. That is a huge gap. A 51 degree gap wedge would go about 90-120 yards and is very versitile around the greens. How many degrees is your PW?

If you could buy two clubs, I'd go GW and SW. If you could buy three clubs, I'd go GW, SW, and try out a hybrid.

Sorry for encouraging you.

PS Your handicap is listed at 24. Don't be afraid to look at forgiving forged GWs and SWs. You will love the feel of these forged clubs and they will help you learn to shape your short approaches. MacGregor, Mizuno, and Adams make forged clubs that are also forgiving.

HiBore XLS Tour 9.5*
Adams Fast10 15* 3W
A2OS 3H-7iron 60* LW
8iron Precept Tour Premium cb
9iron and 45* PW 50* GW 56* SW m565 and 455 VfoilPutter Anser Belly Putter Ball in order of preference TPblack e5 V2  AD333


Posted
No doubt, with a 24 handicap, a hybrid will likely make the game a lot more fun. 20*-23*.

I'd also dump the 60* and get a 52* gap wedge and a 56* or 58* sand wedge.

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

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I would think, without a doubt, a hybrid to replace 3 and/or 4 irons would be the best choice. They are much much easier to hit than those long irons and can be used off tee, fairway or out ot rough. Lots of people even use them to chip with.

As others have also said, a gap wedge would probably be the next club that could help. Something around a 52* of loft. Your PW should have a loft around 47*. That is too much gap betwee it and 60* wedge. I am assuming you use the 60* as sanwdwedge, which would be difficult as a 60 can be difficult to use in most conditions and would probably have low 'bounce' which would make it a bad SW for most players. I have to agree with those that suggest 52* and 56*. The 52 is 'gap' wedge and 56 is sandwedge. Most of the time with wedges you want to try to keep 4-6* between them so that you'll be able to hit more distances with full swings.

But I still think hybrid is number one choice. Then GW, then SW.
Driver: SQ DYMO STR8-Fit
4 Wood: SQ DYMO
2H (17*), 4H (23*) & 5H (26*): Fli-Hi CLK
Irons (5-6): MX-900; (7-PW): MP-60
Wedges (51/6*): MP-T Chrome; (56/13): MP-R ChromePutter: White Hot XG 2-Ball CSPreferred Ball: e5+/e7+/B330-RXGPS Unit: NEOPush Cart: 2.0

Posted

Completely agree here.

rep +1
I'd say 50-52 degree Gap Wedge. Your set goes from PW to 60 degrees. I'm guessing that you've learned how to hit the 60 out of the sand. Dave Peltz and others argue that the 60 degree is easier to hit out of bunkers (close to the green) than a typical sand wedge. You now need a club that fills the gap between your PW and 60 degree. Typically people hit their PW 110-130 yards and hit their 60 degree 60-100 yards. That is a huge gap. A 51 degree gap wedge would go about 90-120 yards and is very versitile around the greens. How many degrees is your PW?

In my bag:

Driver: 907d2
Fairway: R7 ti 5-Wood
Hybrids: 909H 21 Rescue 4Irons: KZG Forged Evolution 5 - PW w/Rifle 6.0 shaftWedges: 52 Rac & Vokey 58Putter: Studio Select 2Ball: Titleist ProV1xEyes: SG5


Posted
I agree with the others....go with a wedge (54-56*)....or, you can have the 60* bent to 54-56* and buy a better driver or hybrid for under $100

Bag #1
DRIVER: TourSwing TVC 10.5*w/VooDoo
FW: Geek 15* w/Graman Limey
FW: TourSwing Thunder 19* w/Graman Limey
HYBRIDS: #4 #5 Alpha RX Low w/Graman LimeyIRONS: Nakashima NP-2 w/Accra i SeriesWEDGES: Same as abovePUTTER: Slighter Olympia #1


Posted
And one note...

i dont see anything wrong with you using that driver as long as you aren't playing in tournaments with it. if you aren't, then who cares if its legal or not? its a good driver!


Posted
If you were buying just one club, I'd go with a 54* sandwedge. If you bought 2 wegdes, I'd say a 52* and 58* and drop the 60*. I'm all for hitting a LW regardless of handicap. But I've had that particular LW. If you can hit it that is great. I couldn't deal with it because I think it had about 3* of bounce. I could have never hit it out of the sand. But if you can, that is awesome.

Also, if you wanted you could pull that 47* PW (if it is stock) back to 48*-49* and just add a 54-56* SW. That would leave you more money to invest in a hybrid for the top of the set. If your irons are stock, the 3iron is 21* and the 4iron is 24*. You could probably drop them both for a 23* hybrid and be perfectly covered. If you go used, and aren't obsessed with ultra premium grooves, you could probably get a year old hybrid and wedge in the $100 range for both.

JMHO. Good luck!

Posted
i dont see anything wrong with you using that driver as long as you aren't playing in tournaments with it. if you aren't, then who cares if its legal or not? its a good driver!

It doesn't bother me either. I almost bought a non conforming driver but decided not to. Nothing wrong with it if you aren't playing tournaments with it.

Nickent Hybrid. I have a 3DX 4 hybrid. I don't think it's possible to NOT get the ball airborne and straight with this club.
My Equipment:
Northwestern 3-, 5-, 7- and 9-wood;
Goldwin AVDP Irons (5-10 plus PW);
U.S. Golf 60 degree wedge;
See-More Putter; Bushnell Yardage Pro 1000 Rangefinder;Golflogix GPS.

Posted
How much do you have to spend?

In My Hank Haney IJGA Bag
Driver: FT Tour 9.5 w/ Aldila Voodoo Stiff
3 Wood: i15 15.5 w/ avixcore red stiff
Hybrids: Rescue 09 19, 22 w/ fujikara fit on stiff
Irons: 4 & 5 MP-52, 6-PW MP-58 w/ KBS Tour Stiff Wedges: MP T-10 52*, 58* w/ KBS Tour StiifPutter: Fastback 1 34 inBall: : Pro...


Posted
+1 for a 56° Sand Wedge.

IMHO no need to replace the driver if you are on a tight budget.
If you are playing a tournament, use you 3 Wood off the tee.

In my Tour Combo Bag:

Driver: Superquad 9.5°
5W: 2008 Burner 18°
3H: Idea Pro Gold 20°4H: 2008 Burner Rescue 22°Irons: MP52 R300 5-PWedges: Vokey SM 50.08, 54.11, 58.04, 60.11Putter: Itsy Bitsy SpiderBall: TP Red


Posted
Pick up some used stuff and you can probably snag a pair good wedges and hybrid for less than $100.

SLDR 430 TP Graphite Design DI-6s
SLDR Mini Driver TP Graphite Design DI-6s
SLDR 4h Matrix Black Tie 95s
Ping G25 4-PW
Ping Gorge 50, 54, 58

Ping Anser IWI


Posted
If you have 100-150 get a wedge and a hybrid.

In My Hank Haney IJGA Bag
Driver: FT Tour 9.5 w/ Aldila Voodoo Stiff
3 Wood: i15 15.5 w/ avixcore red stiff
Hybrids: Rescue 09 19, 22 w/ fujikara fit on stiff
Irons: 4 & 5 MP-52, 6-PW MP-58 w/ KBS Tour Stiff Wedges: MP T-10 52*, 58* w/ KBS Tour StiifPutter: Fastback 1 34 inBall: : Pro...


Posted
Go to a competent clubmaker and allow him/her to fill your bag with a club that does something your other clubs do not do for you.

Whats in the bag?
Driver = Wishon Golf 949mc 9.75*/.5* Closed Face Angle
Fairway Wood = Wishon Golf 915 F/H 16* Square Face Angle
Wood Shafts = Wishon Golf Pro Flight EXP 85g Stiff Flex
Hybrids = Wishon Golf 331H 21* & 24*Hybrid Shafts = Wishon Golf GI335 Tour Weight 92g Stiff FlexIrons = Wishon...


Posted
I'm with dumping the 60* and getting a 52* and a 56*,or if going the one club route dumping the 3 iron and getting a 25* hybrid.

aeroburner tp 10.5 stiff
superfast tp 2.0 3 wood stiff
Halo 25 and taylormade tp 19 degree hybrids
miura cb 202 and wedge
tp 52* wedge, tp 56* taylormade spider mallet putter


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