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how small are the greens at your courses??at the course i play most often the grens measure at most a whoppin 20x20 yds at the max smallest is about 10 wide and 15 deep i hate small greens


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I've noticed at my home course most greens are 30 x 20 yards. Some are 30 deep by 20 wide. Some are vice versa. A few of them are 25 x 25. It's like the designer said "I have to have between 600 and 625 square yards".

Another local course does have very small greens. It is not uncommon to have one 15 yards deep. There a 4 or 5 holes that have 10-12 yards in width. It is a short course and they grow the grass around the fringe very thick. If you play it down, the tricky greenside shots negate the shortness of the course. Most people make fun of it's length. But if you force them to play it down, those chip shots from the thick bermuda into shortsided pins make them eat their words.

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At Kettlebrook they're really big sometimes it's better to be closer to the pin only 5 yards off of the green, than being on the green but on the opposite side, because you could have a triple breaking 75 foot putt.

At Quail Hollow they're moderate. I like Quail's size a lot better.

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how small are the greens at your courses??at the course i play most often the grens measure at most a whoppin 20x20 yds at the max smallest is about 10 wide and 15 deep

Think of it this way, when you miss a small green, you're usually a heck of a lot closer to the hole than when you miss a big green!

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Think of it this way, when you miss a small green, you're usually a heck of a lot closer to the hole than when you miss a big green!

yea good thinkin.

o and the 470yd par 5 yea short is about 5 yds wide and 15-20 deep hard to hit with 5-6 irons lol no wonder i have good gir at normal sized grens lol

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I grew up on a Jack Nicklaus course... It wasn't uncommon to have greens that were 4-5 clubs deep, and to have a 100ft put if you missed too far to the right or to the left.

I don't mind small greens, unless they are basically upside down cereal bowls.

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Seems like most of our muni's have fairly small greens.

Kevin

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Were I play most of the time will not have more than a 30 footer. Most of the greens are slightly elevated so if you miss left or right you hitting back up a hill to a small green.

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I'm a member at a muni that was built back in the 1920's. Back then the norm was tiny domed elevated greens. They didn't have the technology to maintain greens then so they kept them as small as possible to minimize what they did have to maintain as greens. They were also domed and elevated to promote good drainage. Add to that that these greens are compressed and as hard as a pool table and you've got a potent combination. I personally hate those greens, but I figure that playing them is excellent practice. If you can stick a shot to those greens you can stick one anywhere.

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I would say the greens at my course are a good mixture of large and small. However, regardless of their size, most of the time if you miss them you are dead. You are either in a hazard, OB, or hacking out of trap. IF you get on the green you better be in the right spot or your putt is going to be tough.

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The course I play at (Champions GC) has huge greens in comparison to most courses out there. I grew up playing there and never really knew how small the greens where at the average course. To me, a 100 foot putt is nothing seeing as it's normal to have multiple in one round if your approach shots aren't on that day. There is one green (#7 on Cypress) that's green that at least 70 yards deep; if the pin is in the back and you are in the front, it'd be quite an accomplishment to walk away with anything less than a three-putt.

You'd think that having greens this big would make your GIR improve, but the course it significantly longer than most (par 71, plays 7400 from the tips). Not only that but most of the yardage is on the par 4's. I guess the questions is this; would you rather have a 9 iron into a small green or a 4 iron into a large green?

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The course I play at (Champions GC) has huge greens in comparison to most courses out there. I grew up playing there and never really knew how small the greens where at the average course. To me, a 100 foot putt is nothing seeing as it's normal to have multiple in one round if your approach shots aren't on that day. There is one green (#7 on Cypress) that's green that at least 70 yards deep; if the pin is in the back and you are in the front, it'd be quite an accomplishment to walk away with anything less than a three-putt.

4 iron big green

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4 iron big green

Same here, but I think its mainly because that's how I grew up playing. Because of that, a 100 ft putt doesn't scare me at all.


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Same here, but I think its mainly because that's how I grew up playing. Because of that, a 100 ft putt doesn't scare me at all.

No problem, an automatic 2 put

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The ones i play on are medium the course is designed by arthur hills

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There is one green (#7 on Cypress) that's green that at least 70 yards deep; if the pin is in the back and you are in the front, it'd be quite an accomplishment to walk away with anything less than a three-putt.

I hope they have 7 different colored flags to tell how far out you are.

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On Long Island we have a course called Swan Lake and in the Golf Digest places to play book it says "If you can't hit these greens you should take up bowling".Then we have Islands End whose greens avg maybe 3500 to 4000 sq ft per which are tiny.The Blacks greens are mostly on the smaller sixe also as you will see in June.

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I hope they have 7 different colored flags to tell how far out you are.

Not even close. If Jackie Burke had his way, we wouldn't even have yardages on the sprinkler heads. The starter does have pin sheets though, and you'd be dumb not to pick one up.


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