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  1. 1. Which would happen first: Guillen pars or Woods gets a base hit?

    • Tiger Woods would get a base hit against MLB pitching.
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    • Ozzie Guillen would par a hole on the PGA Tour.
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Ozzie Guillen (who is a horrible golfer, by the way) said he could make a par on the PGA Tour before Tiger Woods could get a base hit.

I think that it's easier to get lucky in baseball (look at the # of squibby hits that result in a base hit) than in golf (your best chance would be to hit a good shot and two-putt on a par 3).

Even Michael Jordan managed a .200 batting average, and that's one in five. I think Tiger would get a base hit, on average, before Guillen would par a hole. He is really that bad a golfer.

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are we equating one pitch with a hole or an at bat??

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I'm pretty sure Ozzie would get the par before Tiger would get the base hit.

Unless Tiger was a good baseball player as well in his younger years, it's gonna be very hard for him to even hit a pitch moving 90+ MPH, let alone get a base hit.

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Tiger's taken batting practice twice before and he says he has "warning-track distance", he also has super human hand-eye coordination, so I'm with Tiger.

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athlete of this caliber with unparallel hand-eye coordination - Tiger wins, no doubt. Ozzie should focus on coaching instead of making publicity for himself (he's good at it, gotta give it to him).
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I'm with Ozzie, as a not great golfer who has parred PGA tour holes and a former college baseball player (pitcher who couldn't sniff a base hit). Plus Ozzie is a pretty avid golfer see the 'big break all star challenge' on the golf channel.

Most people don't realize how fast even 85 mph is...let alone the movement on a Major league pitchers breaking balls.

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i still cant decide...i gave up on baseball in 5th grade but i would say i have pretty good hand eye coordination, but i went to the batting cage awhile back and tried the fast pitch, which i think was 60-70 MPH and i dont think i hit a single one. i think i have to say i give ozzie the slight edge

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I was a pretty good baseball player before my stroke. I think it depends on how much baseball Tiger has really played. I didn't start playing golf until after my stroke and had to switch from left to right handed and I still had a lucky par my second time out. A worm burner and lucky putt on a par 3. Because the pitcher can quickly identify weakness and change every pitch speed, location, spin etc. I think a good pitcher would totally dominate. Batting practice is like hitting a good shot at the range and saying you know how to play golf. We know better

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I'll take tiger all the way to the bank

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Tiger, but I think it would be a close one. But if Guillen sucks that bad (Ive never seen him play) then Tiger will blow his ass away.
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Taking batting practice and REAL pitching is totally different.Even a bad golfer can get lucky and hit a par 3.Tiger may have great hand eye coordination but not at 95 MPH.

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Taking batting practice and REAL pitching is totally different.Even a bad golfer can get lucky and hit a par 3.Tiger may have great hand eye coordination but not at 95 MPH.

He could always bunt.

Very few pitchers throw 95 MPH. And there's a saying in baseball: hitters could time a bullet if that's what the pitcher was throwing. Guillen really is very, very bad...

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could he have a worse swing then Charles Barkley?

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could he have a worse swing then Charles Barkley?

No, he's just really bad. And he missed a straight two-foot putt.

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If the pitcher threw all off-speed stuff, then I don't think Tiger would ever get a hit. However, pitchers mix in fastballs quite a bit. I definitely think Tiger could get a base hit before Ozzie Guillen could par a hole at Cog Hill.

Most of the time, I would give the benefit of the doubt to the baseball player because a lot of them play golf in their spare time (pitchers anyway). But in this case, Guillen is a horrible golfer. So Tiger gets the nod.
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I would think par in golf in the MLB they pitch around 95-100 mph and you have to be used to watching the ball.You have to be able to get the ball past infeilder if you hit it right at them they can fire over to first and your out. Or if your fast and they bobble the ball.


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I would think par in golf in the MLB they pitch around 95-100 mph and you have to be used to watching the ball.You have to be able to get the ball past infeilder if you hit it right at them they can fire over to first and your out. Or if your fast and they bobble the ball.

That'd be an error. And very few pitchers reach 95 MPH. Not to say 90 isn't fast, too, but still...

He could always bunt for a base hit, too, you know. Dunno how fast he is...

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