Hogan Power Move, is this the key??

[iacas]

Butch, Ringer, the end. Unsatisfactory (to you) things will occur if you choose to continue. And don't PM each other either unless it's to kiss and make up.

Sorry for the brief divergent post. I'll re-quote the OP's question so this thread can get back on topic.

Just had a video analysis with my pro and found a couple of errors in my swing. The most important one to fix is that I am not keeping my "tush line" at impact.

One question of clarification: you're moving your butt (and thus your hips) towards the ball at impact, right? Is that what you mean by not keeping your tush line? You swing back, and then (from the down-the-line view) your butt moves to the right as you swing down into the ball?

[Zeph]

Never heard about turning around the right leg before. I've always heard and read that the upper body rotate around its axis, with the spine as centre.
What Clement is talking about is really hip turn and lateral movement. The hips turn back to square before impact, sometimes past square and at the same time slide laterally towards the target. Through the ball and the finish, you wipe the left butt.

An explanation of exactly what the pro told you to work on would help. I didn't get the "tush line" either.

Oppdaga ikkje før no at du var frå Norge FlopScotty!

[FlopScotty]

iacas: One question of clarification: you're moving your butt (and thus your hips) towards the ball at impact, right? Is that what you mean by not keeping your tush line? You swing back, and then (from the down-the-line view) your butt moves to the right as you swing down into the ball?

That is exactly my problem! Well put.

Had a trip to the range today and took some footage with my mobile camera. The problem is still there. I can see that I am rising my spine angle a few degrees at impact as well. Tried a more upright spine angle at adress that helped a little, but still struggling with the same problem. Still also trying to get the club less inside on the takeaway, but find also that hard to do.

[Ringer]

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[tm22721]

How are you judging how much weight transfer occurs to the back leg ? You can't just use hip movement to indicate weight transfer. The dynamic ground pressure into the instep of the right foot is the real force involved and we can't measure that from a video. Look at the acute angle of Hogan's right leg. He needed that extreme angle to handle the enormous ground forces he generated, including the torque from the hyper-tensed inside thigh muscles in the backswing.

[jamo]

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If I may, it is because you are completely disregarding the point of the thread. FlopScotty is having a complete epiphany and you just keep arguing.

Also, your Tiger Woods Sing Vision is off. I dont know if its doctored or what but look at the man in the back row with the orange hat all the way on the left. In the top frame you can see a little to his right (your left), but in the other two you cant. Thus the red line isnt in the same place in every frame. This can also be see by looking at the red line in relation to Tiger's Right foot (on the left side of the pic). This makes Tiger's head and hips look even farther on his back foot.

[bunkerputt]

How are you judging how much weight transfer occurs to the back leg ? You can't just use hip movement to indicate weight transfer. The dynamic ground pressure into the instep of the right foot is the real force involved and we can't measure that from a video. Look at the acute angle of Hogan's right leg. He needed that extreme angle to handle the enormous ground forces he generated, including the torque from the hyper-tensed inside thigh muscles in the backswing.

Bingo! I'm really excited about Clement's explanation in the video in question. It answers the question of how exactly you blend the rotational movement of the hips on the downswing with the "bump" at the start of the transition. With the right butt cheek fixed to the mirror, in his example, assuming a perfectly firm right side, ala Hogan, since the rotation has moved this butt cheek slightly closer to the target, it basically reestablishes the downswing axis such that pulling the left butt cheek back is essentially a lateral move accomplished through rotation....kind of like the way an inchworm moves along the ground laterally by constricting it's rear in a circular fashion. That also explains all (I should say a lot instead

) of the confusion regarding lateral versus turning at the top and neatly explains why Hogan said he started the downswing by turning his left hip back, yet countless others say he started with a "hip bump". I feel like I've reached Nirvana regarding the transition move. Anyone else besides FlopScotty have this feeling?

[FlopScotty]

Update:

I have had a good week with some progress with the whole weigh shift and hip movement thing. Ball striking has improved. Especially with the big dog

Had a major breakthrough the other day. I definitively feel that I am starting the swing with a small lateral move and a weight shift over to the left foot. The thing that has really helped me is to make sure that the weight does not move too much towards the target (too much to the outside of the foot). You have to feel that you really can swing into the ball using the left foot (inside of left foot) as sort of the base of the down and through swing.

I think I am on the right track and will post a video soon.

[tm22721]

Hogan turned into his right leg, not over it. That is obvious from any Hogan video. By the end of his backswing he had transferred the ground pressures from his right leg to the left without any big lateral shift. You do that by turning your right hip backwards and toward the target during the backswing. The weight shift is very subtle maybe 10-15% you cannot see it in video unless it is a view from the back (see Mexico footage) where the hip move is obvious. Trolio wrote an entire book on this Hogan 'secret' move. In the downswing you MUST roll on the right instep. Fight the urge to let your right heel come off the ground before impact otherwise your right hip will prematurely leave the 'tush line' maybe taking the shoulder along with it.

[jambalaya]

Shawn's videos are pretty good and some of his advice seems so but the Hogan power move video is unnecessarily complicated to me. A good demonstration but way too much to think about to be practical as swing thoughts in my opinion. And does anyone turn their hips back as much as Shawn does in his swing? Maybe its why I am such a lousy golfer but the hip turn back and forward is really prominent in most of his videos? Is he just doing that for instructions sake? I am thinking it just works for him but maybe not for all.

[mc0388]

Another thing, a lot of teachers point out that when shifting your weight forward, you need to do it to the

Get Left!!! I think Sergio said that