My Swing (saevel25)

[saevel25]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Do you have an answer @saevel25? 🙂 

My initial thoughts where, 

1) Use the wrist/hands to shallow.

2) I think there is also extending the right elbow. I just don’t feel my right arm well, could try this again. 

3) Maybe sending the hands out a few inches instead of down. I could see shift the position of the clubhead relative to the hands. 

[iacas]

No… what I'm saying is this: what would you do to move the shaft from the red line to the green line.

Nothing else gets to move. The hands are where they are, the shoulders, the elbows… etc. Heck, even the one end of the shaft stays where it is.

What would you have to do to move the shaft from the red line to the green line?

[saevel25]

Ok so it has to be more right palm up and left palm down at that point .

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Ok so it has to be more right palm up and left palm down at that point .

Yep. Forearm rotation.

[saevel25]

Because it is a bit fun to use some AutoCADD. I need about 15 degrees of change to flatten out the swing path. 😉

Also, trying to think of a set up to give me some feedback. I was hoping something I could hit in the downswing that wouldn't break, but also wouldn't break my club. Something flexible. 

 

[iacas]

1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

Because it is a bit fun to use some AutoCADD. I need about 15 degrees of change to flatten out the swing path. 😉

That's only true if the plane of the face of that triangle is perpendicular to the camera. 😄 

1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

Also, trying to think of a set up to give me some feedback. I was hoping something I could hit in the downswing that wouldn't break, but also wouldn't break my club. Something flexible. 

That one's tough.

I put that wedge in the way the other day, but it's gonna really force it to be exaggerated. Which isn't really a bad thing for you, though…

[saevel25]

3 minutes ago, iacas said:

I put that wedge in the way the other day, but it's gonna really force it to be exaggerated. Which isn't really a bad thing for you, though…

Ah, I see you want to see the clubhead. I might put my bag between me and the ball then. Probably far enough back, relative to the ball, that I need to see the clubhead. 

[mdl]

One thing that's been helping me shallow the club recently is feeling much more right hand throw versus arms together, which is what I've always done and for me is much more a pull feel. For me it's been left arm just feel locked elbow, all focus on right hand. Surely not a universal feel, but for me it makes it way way more natural to give myself time to settle into the slot with the right tension built up to whip the club head through the impact zone. Just throwing it out there in case it works for you too.

[saevel25]

Yea, I am working on a feel. For me it’s definitely long pause, flip the right palm up and drop it straight down. But for me, I really got to focus on my hands are just going down and that my turn to get my right side and my hands through impact. They obviously don’t do that cause everything travels in the arc, but that’s just a feeling right now. I’m trying to get away from feeling like I have to pull my hands down towards the ball. 

[saevel25]

16 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Yea, I am working on a feel. For me it’s definitely long pause, flip the right palm up and drop it straight down. But for me, I really got to focus on my hands are just going down and that my turn to get my right side and my hands through impact. They obviously don’t do that cause everything travels in the arc, but that’s just a feeling right now. I’m trying to get away from feeling like I have to pull my hands down towards the ball. 

an addendum to this. I need to be less aggressive down with the hands in more just isolating, the forearm rotation. 

[mdl]

43 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Yea, I am working on a feel. For me it’s definitely long pause, flip the right palm up and drop it straight down. But for me, I really got to focus on my hands are just going down and that my turn to get my right side and my hands through impact. They obviously don’t do that cause everything travels in the arc, but that’s just a feeling right now. I’m trying to get away from feeling like I have to pull my hands down towards the ball. 

Yeah I've worked with the drop and rotate feels. For me it is too hard to not let everything get too sloppy. Like, let the hands drop straight down and get right palm up (for me I thought of it as get into frisbee forehand position) I can get in a groove and hit great shots but it's really fragile. My wrists will get sloppy and I'll hit crazy block slices, or save it going with shoulder driven over the top or hand flip at it and get pulls or hooks. Or if I try to go after it *at all* I'll rotate early and crush huge pulls.

The right hand sidearm throwing feeling has been the best feel for me so far to get away from the pulling. But then pitching is probably the athletic skill I've been best at in my life, so trying to pull from that might make more sense for me than others!

[saevel25]

Note there yet, but better. More forearm rotation.

[mdl]

I had a coach really emphasize for me when I was working on shallowing (with some backswing fixes and then what you're working on, hands down and rotate wrists) that the shaft line should match in these two positions, and that they do for tour pros. I'm not a good enough coach to really comment more. But you kinda hunch your shoulders at A8 in the right photo like I do when I'm struggling with being too steep. In this swing, to my eye, your position at A5 in the left (first) photo looks great and definitely not too steep. But like I said, I'm not a good enough coach to go the next step here. It's just your shoulder hunch reminded me of this point from a previous coach. And seems connected to your block miss?

 

[saevel25]

57 minutes ago, mdl said:

But you kinda hunch your shoulders at A8 in the right photo like I do when I'm struggling with being too steep

Too much side bend to get the club down. When I am doing my wrist stuff at higher speed, it makes everything late feeling, and it feels like my arms get stuck going down. So I side bend to get the club down. Just some old patterns bleeding in. Also, my right elbow collapses in transition. That compounds the issue. 

59 minutes ago, mdl said:

In this swing, to my eye, your position at A5 in the left (first) photo looks great and definitely not too steep.

Too steep, the club will travel a good bit above the left elbow.  I’m not really concerned about a single position. I’m more concerned with how the club had travels in relation to my arms.

59 minutes ago, mdl said:

And seems connected to your block miss?

I’m not concerned with a miss yet. My goal is to keep the analysis to what the body is doing in the video.

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From today, started to slow it down. Probably gonna keep it at the swing speed for the foreseeable future. I don’t know how this is going to translate to full swing. I did one try with the last ball of the day. I just yanked the crap out of that club handle and steep in the swing. Anyways, I like what I see here when I slow down. 

The ball flying probably 100 yards making a full swing.

first, much better at getting the right elbow extended in the down swing. So, I’m able to stay taller.

Second, much better at getting the club rerouted under my left elbow at A5.5 to A6. 

 

[iacas]

2 hours ago, mdl said:

I had a coach really emphasize for me when I was working on shallowing (with some backswing fixes and then what you're working on, hands down and rotate wrists) that the shaft line should match in these two positions, and that they do for tour pros.

I mean… no?

 

 

 

[mdl]

16 hours ago, iacas said:

I mean… no?

 

 

 

Whoa. He showed me a bunch that did and I didn't do my own investigation! Good to know!

[saevel25]

15 minutes ago, mdl said:

Whoa. He showed me a bunch that did and I didn't do my own investigation! Good to know!

Yea, it’s it’s tough sometimes when some people cherry pick information to fit their own narrative. 

[saevel25]

Ok, lesson from tonight’s 9 holes…

1) Make shorter backswings for chipping and pitching.

2) Make a big pause in the backswing.

3) Arms down feel, keep right shoulder higher in the swing (stupid right side bend).