Scoring question(up and downs)

[jlh1508]

I had a question on exactly how an up and down is defined


If I miss the green with my 2nd shot on a par 4, and then miss the green on my third shot(screw up the chip, or skull it over the green), then get the 4th shot on the green and 1 putt. Did I get up and down? Or is it only an up and down if you save par?

[Randy4h]

By my figuring, you were 1 for 2 in u&d; on that green.

[Zeph]

You can get up and down with any final score, being par, bogey, double bogey or worse. It means you got onto the green and into the hole in two shots.

Not to be confused with Scrambling, which means; "The percent of time a player misses the green in regulation, but still makes par or better.".

So, if you are off the green on your second shot to a par 4, but manage to hit the green on the next and make the putt, you got up and down, and scrambled. If you are off the green on your third shot to a par 4, managing to get up and down from there, making a bogey, you did not scramble.

[jlh1508]

thank you that helps.

[saevel25]

Yes up and down is for any score, but the scrambling stat is getting up and down with par or better...

I love up and down for bogey's especially those pressure packed 10 foot bogey putts ;b

[Flypaper]

Huh - thanks for clearing that up. I too wondered what that mean.

[iacas]

  jlh1508 said:

If I miss the green with my 2nd shot on a par 4, and then miss the green on my third shot(screw up the chip, or skull it over the green), then get the 4th shot on the green and 1 putt. Did I get up and down? Or is it only an up and down if you save par?

That's not an up and down as far as I'm concerned. You're using Scorecard, so it's up to you how you want to define it... but since you're better than a bogey golfer I suggest you stick to the strict definition, or at least this one: an up-and-down is when you miss the green in regulation but are still close enough to reach the green and you end up making par.

So if you're 160 out because you had to chip out of the woods, it's an up-and-down attempt because it's just a 6-iron or whatever. If you deposit it in a bunker and hole out, it's a sand save AND an up and down. Or if you hit the green and putt, it's an up and down. You were greenside in two and failed to get up and down. I disagree that it's for any score. We pull our "Scrambling" stats from a combination of Sand Saves and Up and Down, so do the right thing and count only legit up-and-downs as Successful.

[killerduck]

Good explanation iacas.

But it is up to you. I count an U&D; attempt if I'm not playing a full shot, so anywhere within maybe 100mtr.

It's the sand save that counts no matter what the score is. Bunker shot, 1 putt = sand save. The only thing scorecard doesn't do is allow for multiple SS attempts on one hole. If I leave the first attempt in the bunker, and then put the 2nd attempt to a foot and make the putt I'm 1/2 in sand saves, but scorecard doesn't allow this.

[binga7]

Is an up and down only when you chip and then putt in for par(a save), or does it include all one chip and one putts, even for bogey etc.....

Also when you chip in, is that an up n down, a save, or .....

[CG031]

it's whenever you chip it, and then one putt. doesn't matter if it's for par, bogey, or quad. bogey.

I had 6 up and down's today in my club championship (some were for bogey unfortunately!)

[breakout89]

  binga7 said:

Is an up and down only when you chip and then putt in for par(a save), or does it include all one chip and one putts, even for bogey etc.....

the term "up and down" can be used in any situation (up and down for birdie, up and down for par, up and down for bogey...etc.)

when you chip in it is just called...a chip in, lol. i guess you could say you holed out from off the green or something of that nature

[Uber$winG]

The way I track Ups & Downs:

Missed GIR and scoring a par equals a successful Up & Down

Missed GIR and scoring a bogey+ equals missed Up & Down

[Fourputt]

Up and down is basically getting down in 2 strokes from off the green with any short pitch or chip. If it's less than a full shot, I'll call it an up and down.

[Fourputt]

  Fourputt said:

Up and down is basically getting down in 2 strokes from off the green with any short pitch or chip. If it's less than a full shot, I'll call it an up and down.

Just wanted to add that I don't consider it an up and down if I've already screwed up the first chip.... the last shot before the up and down had to be a full shot. Chunk, chunk, chip then one putt ain't an up-n-down in my book.

[Dave H]

  iacas said:

That's not an up and down as far as I'm concerned. You're using Scorecard, so it's up to you how you want to define it... but since you're better than a bogey golfer I suggest you stick to the strict definition, or at least this one: an up-and-down is when you miss the green in regulation but are still close enough to reach the green and you end up making par.

Erik, on a very related topic I was thinking about this yesterday during my round. If I miss the green on my third shot, and don't chip in for par, would you count this as unsuccessful up and down? Or, just leave it blank. Another way to look at it - let's say I hit 0 greens during a round and I don't even give myself an opportunity for par, did I just go 0 for 18 on up and downs or 0 for 0 since I never gave myself a chance to get up and down?

[iacas]

Dave H, the way I typically do it is that if I can hit the green it's an up and down attempt. If I hit one OB on a par four, for example, then I leave it blank. But in every other case - even if I have 240 - I mark it as an UD attempt (likely a failed one from 240, but there have been a few times... ).

[Dave H]

  iacas said:

Dave H, the way I typically do it is that if I can hit the green it's an up and down attempt. If I hit one OB on a par four, for example, then I leave it blank. But in every other case - even if I have 240 - I mark it as an UD attempt (likely a failed one from 240, but there have been a few times...

Thanks, that's how I decided to view it as well. Great minds do indeed think alike!

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