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Every once in a while I come across a simple tip that really makes a big difference in my game. Recently I tried this one in hopes of fixing a fade/slice that developed in my driver and 3-wood swings and now I'm pounding those out straight and down the fairway again!! Just wanted to share it with the Sand Trappers!
http://www.golf.com/golf/video/artic...917414,00.html

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I am glad it worked for getting your slice fixed. I do hate though when a pro at the end of the videos says "lets see if it works", then goes off the hit a great shot. It always leaves me with the, well no shit sherlock, I would not be listening to your advice if you could not hit a straight drive:)

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I am glad it worked for getting your slice fixed. I do hate though when a pro at the end of the videos says "lets see if it works", then goes off the hit a great shot. It always leaves me with the, well no shit sherlock, I would not be listening to your advice if you could not hit a straight drive:)

lol excatly...!! even funnier..was watching golf yesterday on the golf channel..and Brian Moog was talking abot the low flying chip that hops a few and check's up..precided to explain how and at the end hit the shot..only (and correct me if i'm wrong) it did not do what it was susposed to..!! looked like a regular pitch chip to me????? Anyone else see this???

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Thanks for sharing. I'll try that next time I'm at the driving range.

I wonder if that's similar to a tip I heard elsewhere. I heard that the body should setup parallel but left shoulder should then be a little closed.

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this ''tip'' takes a lot for granted. you can just as easily hit from the inside and slice the ball.

That would be with an open clubface, which is another part of the swing. Push-slice vs pull-slice. The first with an out-to-in swing path and closed clubface, the other with an in-to-out swingpath and open clubface.

I'm not a big fan of this drill, as it mess with my balance and I'm afraid of pushing the hips far enough forward, which is the opposite of what I'm working on. What it does help on is keeping the head still.

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this ''tip'' takes a lot for granted. you can just as easily hit from the inside and slice the ball.

Yeah if you ever want proof just come watch me hit my driver. :P


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I tried it today, hit all the fairways on the front nine, then NONE on the back. I will go back to the range and tinker. Thanks for posting - you never know what will help. Perhaps this has long-term benefits...we will see.

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IMO, the dropping the back foot slightly behind the front foot (a closed stance) should yield similar results. When I do this, most of my shots are either fairly straight or have slight draw to them.

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Feet together is not a slice-fixing drill I would say, it's more about balance. It can of course affect your swing path as it prevents moving weight in any direction, but I would rather do something else to fix OTT.

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The problem with this tip, it's terrible. It actually will cause most people to slice worse. First off, most slicers do not align left, they align their feet right, and maybe their shoulders to the left, but most important, they

swing left. Secondly, taking the club back on the inside often leads to looping it over the top. You want the hands deep, but the club on the outside. As iacas has pointed out many, many times, these tips are nearly always quick fixes intended for results. This drill likely will help you go back more on the inside, so you come down more on the inside. Works well for a while, but in time, it will lead to a worse and worse problem. The bottom line is that fixing a slice is not easy, and takes time and commitment. If you really want to fix your slice, just align as normal, and take the club back, then swing under your right pocket, and out 45° to your right. It will be like trying to skip a stone across a pond, but you want the stone to start 45° right of where you're looking. Literally, you want to swing so hard to the right that you push it 45° right, maybe even more. You will never, no matter how hard you try, be able to get the ball to slice by swinging to the right with a square clubface at address.
Yeah if you ever want proof just come watch me hit my driver. :P

Odds are you're not coming from the inside then. I've yet to see anyone who comes from the inside that has trouble slicing it. It's possible, and it's happened, but it's rare. A fade when hitting from the inside would be so dramatic, that the ball would go nearly 90° right within the first 50 yards. I've done it, it's not pretty.


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I've been slicing my driver and haven't been able to figure out why. Came across this tip and tried it on the course today - after 8 holes (driver swings) my slice was completely fixed.

thanks

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I've tried this as well as dropping the right foot back a few inches. With both i have to remember to keep my back swing wide and not let it get behind me too quick. The results are usually good, with my miss being a straight push. It's mostly a quick fix, but can teach you to come from the inside on the down swing. For me it gives me a feeling for the slot that setting up traditionally doesn't give me. The other thing that helps me is setting the left knee before the backswing. It's a slight flex in the left knee before the takeaway that pushes the knee forward an inch or so and the right hip back. It helps remind me not to sway my hips back (big issue for me) and helps me come from the inside on the way down.

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