Chair drill, turning hips

[iacas]

When you hold your head still and slide your hips to the left your spine angle moves to the right, it's physiologically impossible for it not to. That spine tilt forces your upper body to the right thereby forcing a large percentage of your bodies mass to the right side. So while not "all" of your weight is on the right side a sizeable portion is.

I'm sorry but that's simply factually wrong. Your spine tilts to the right, yes. We call that secondary axis tilt. Your weight is left, though.

[westcyderydin]

yes the weight shifts naturally, and thats why the hips move forward naturally.

the difference is that you are calling it a slide. and that is not what i mean as being a slide. either way you do not want to move your hips too far forward compared to where your chest or hands are. that is more what i am talking about.

[Shanks A Million]

yes the weight shifts naturally, and thats why the hips move forward naturally.

It's almost impossible to slide your hips too much. It falls into that category of, "no, you're not doing it too much, keep doing it." Like deep hands, and a flat plane.

[iacas]

yes the weight shifts naturally, and thats why the hips move forward naturally.

Having seen hundreds of golfers hit the ball, I think i can say somewhat definitively that NO, it's not natural at all. PGA Tour pros work on it. Vijay Singh will sometimes hit balls from upslopes to force himself to go forward (because he can more easily feel it). If it's not natural for Vijay Singh by now...

[westcyderydin]

alright i believe you... just wondering tho.

most of the people i normally golf with played a lot of baseball just like i did. and like many people say the swings are different. in baseball the hands follow the hips and in golf your hands should be more ahead. so many of my friends are overactive with their lower body just as i was. and some of the golf pros we have seen almost kinda of classified us as baseball players (swing wise).

so do the people who seem to have more problems moving their hips forward enough fall more into the less athletic category (of course there are exceptions)?

[Rexx]

I'm sorry but that's simply factually wrong. Your spine tilts to the right, yes. We call that secondary axis tilt. Your weight is left, though.

Not necessarily trying to defend GB, but if you did the following: Stand on your right foot, push hips to left, but stay balanced. Your upper body will move right to keep you on balance. So, the hips have moved left, but the weight has remained "back". You can do the same thing with both feet on the ground (whether you shift your weight back or stay centered on the backswing). The only reason I bring this up is this is the exact swing fault I used to have often, I would push/slide my hips left, but there was actually no weight shift (leading to fat or thin shots).

[iacas]

Stand on your right foot, push hips to left, but stay balanced. Your upper body will move right to keep you on balance.

Your upper center doesn't move back on the downswing. You don't finish the swing with your weight back or "balanced" - it's forward to an extreme amount - 95%+.

The only reason I bring this up is this is the exact swing fault I used to have often, I would push/slide my hips left, but there was actually no weight shift (leading to fat or thin shots).

It sounds like you manually add your own secondary axis tilt because you don't release your #1 and #4 accumulators fast enough. I highly doubt you pushed or slid your hips properly at all.

[Rexx]

Your upper center doesn't move back on the downswing. You don't finish the swing with your weight back or "balanced" - it's forward to an extreme amount - 95%+.

I was trying to demonstrate that you could move your hips left without actually shifting your weight, that's all. It wasn't a recommendation for how to swing. In fact, just the opposite -- it is definitely a swing fault along with other issues that you mentioned.

[saevel25]

Well if you want to bring in secondary tilt.. I was talking strictly about spine tilt regards to viewing down the line. Of course if your head stays still and your hips shift side to side you will have a tilt when viewing face on, i was talking about the angle with the vertical axis.

[MikeLowry5]

anybody watch the golf fix today? This was the best episode i have seen now for a while and probably the most specific for me.

michael breed is an idiot! Do not listen to him he knows nothing about golf, tying his shoes, walking, or chewing gum.

I suggest you call mike plummer or aaron bennett, they are the only folks who know anything about swinging a golf club.

[iacas]

Well if you want to bring in secondary tilt.. I was talking strictly about spine tilt regards to viewing down the line. Of course if your head stays still and your hips shift side to side you will have a tilt when viewing face on, i was talking about the angle with the vertical axis.

The secondary axis tilt is evident in the DL view from P7.1 onward as the hips and shoulders rotate. It's what keeps your head on the wall. Actually, since your hips are open at P7, you start to use that secondary axis tilt to stay on the wall from P6.1 or so.

[alisdair]

It's what keeps your head on the wall.

I haven't heard this phrase before. What do you mean?

[iacas]

I haven't heard this phrase before. What do you mean?

If you were to put your head at address against a wall, right side lateral flexion from P6 to P9 keeps your head "on the wall." It'll rotate of course (at address it's your forehead, at P9 it's the right top side of your head).

[saevel25]

So do you think that is a good practice to do at home, put your head againts a wall to get a sense of it not moving. Of course it will move on the course, but to fix a fault with headmovement, especially when your are use to it and know how to swing in balance with head movement, so decreasing head movement might mess with the balance a big.

[Zeph]

So do you think that is a good practice to do at home, put your head againts a wall to get a sense of it not moving. Of course it will move on the course, but to fix a fault with headmovement, especially when your are use to it and know how to swing in balance with head movement, so decreasing head movement might mess with the balance a big.

Absolutely, here is a video on the subject, explaining how things should happen. Using a solid object for practice, and try to get the same feeling when playing golf is a good place to start.

[tm22721]

I agree with an earlier poster that 'getting into position to hit' means getting as far forward and rotated as possible.

I couldn't get into position to hit until I learned how to use momentum of 'the sling' in the backswing to propel me to the target, naturally, PRIOR to rotating.

Trying to intentionally slide my hips or to push off with the right foot never worked consistently.