Tips to stop a flip?

[1UnderU]

Sometimes a flip can be a result of lack of body rotation. Basically the hips/shoulder stop rotating at impact and naturally the club has to stay in motion moving past your wrists causing your wrist to break and hands take over. youtube some videos of pro golfer just after impact, compare their "openess" to yours at impact.

[Tomboys]

No, the real question is where the club "releases", or crosses the hands. Most players wrongly try to release at impact. In baseball, for example, the bat should cross the hands right at impact to make a big boom, and hit a home run, right? In hockey, the stick crosses the hands when it hits the puck, lots of speed, goal, all are happy. Sure, it makes sense, but in golf, sense is... well, we all play golf, we know where this is going!

My apologies to all. In my effort to describe the release (relative to his flip), I somehow managed to mis-word my post so that I ended up telling him to release the club. I've read iacas' thread about the pitfalls of telling someone to release the club--in fact, I even posted on there that the advice led me to develop a flip myself. So, after re-reading my original post, I now understand why I set off the alarms.

[CalBoomer]

Keep your hands ahead of the club face at contact.

[James_Black]

Keep your hands ahead of the club face at contact.

easier said than done lol

[spmurph]

Try this drill:

Get is a sand trap and use the club to draw a line in the sand where the ball would be. Then take a swing and make a divot in front of the line.

[James_Black]

Try this drill:

How will that stop the flip?

[saevel25]

With a flip you are more than likely to either hit hte ball flat or hit it thin.

I would say for even better, place the line 2 inches infront of were you will hit it, than try to strike that line. You can't flip at it or you might just fall over foreward. But thats 2" Infront of were the ball should be, i think most flippers place the ball back in there stance to much.

[spmurph]

How will that stop the flip?

Because you can't take a divot (or at least a good one) when you flip the clubhead past you hands prior to impact.

[Shanks A Million]

Because you can't take a divot (or at least a good one) when you flip the clubhead past you hands prior to impact.

How do you figure that?

[iacas]

How do you figure that?

How do you not??? To take a divot the club still has to be descending and with the leading edge at or below the level of bounce. It's incredibly difficult for the clubhead to still be descending (with the bounce exposed) when it's already flipped past your hands.

[Shanks A Million]

How do you not??? To take a divot the club still has to be descending and with the leading edge at or below the level of bounce. It's incredibly difficult for the clubhead to still be descending (with the bounce exposed) when it's already flipped past your hands.

I'm referring to "flipping" as releasing the club before the followthrough position, I think both of you are referring to the club being ahead of the hands at impact. Still, the Bermuda we have down here, the ball sits up on it, and you can actually take a divot by scooping the ball off, and letting the bounce cut the grass. It's not common, but it's certainly not impossible. If the hands are moving down, I'd be willing to bet I can take a divot with the hands behind the ball.

[Paz]

I'm referring to "flipping" as releasing the club before the followthrough position, I think both of you are referring to the club being ahead of the hands at impact. Still, the Bermuda we have down here, the ball sits up on it, and you can actually take a divot by scooping the ball off, and letting the bounce cut the grass. It's not common, but it's certainly not impossible. If the hands are moving down, I'd be willing to bet I can take a divot with the hands behind the ball.

maybe one a few inches behind the ball.

if the hands are behind the ball, either the clubface is too while still decending or you've already flipped. there's no way for the clubhead to still be decending if you're wedge isn't there

[iacas]

I'm referring to "flipping" as releasing the club before the followthrough position

But you weren't. You quoted and responded to this (emphasis mine) sentence: "Because you can't take a divot (or at least a good one) when you

flip the clubhead past you hands prior to impact. " So you goofed, but there's no need to beat a dead horse, so we'll all move along, oui?

[kilbyman]

With regards to the posted drill, will getting the op's (and mine too) hips slid ahead of the ball at impact help bring the hands up there too and strike the ball with the wedge maintained?

[Jtjohns]

Still a flip here.

Shanks, You are brilliant!! I've been searching trying to figure out an issue with my swing that I couldn't quite understand. I noticed something funny right at the moment of impact and my left elbow was getting away from my body, chicken wing. After readying through this thread and coming across your post, a light went off for me. I have always thought that I was supposed to rotate my hands at the moment of impact in order to close the club face and not slice. Turns out, i've been doing this and I think this is what's causing my "flip"/"chicken wing". I will be working on the flying V drill for a while and worrying less about turning the club over/rotating at the moment of impact.

Good post OP. I think a lot of people will benefit from this.

[iacas]

I noticed something funny right at the moment of impact and my left elbow was getting away from my body, chicken wing. After readying through this thread and coming across your post, a light went off for me. I have always thought that I was supposed to rotate my hands at the moment of impact in order to close the club face and not slice. Turns out, i've been doing this and I think this is what's causing my "flip"/"chicken wing". I will be working on the flying V drill for a while and worrying less about turning the club over/rotating at the moment of impact.

[GolfBear]

This place is a cornucopia of really shitting golf instruction.

If you're flipping your wrists its most likely because your timing is off. It's pretty apparent from the first pictures you posted. If you let the shaft and clubhead get ahead of your hands that's the "flip". Forget some of the prior insanity you've read and remember this, golf is a game of physics. It doesn't matter what swing theory you follow, you can't ignore the laws of physics. If you're flipping your wrists it's because your hands aren't leading the swing and it's starting with your transition. Your arms and weight shift are capable of generating tremendous power but they can't do the job without your wrists. Have you ever seen a baseball player hit a baseball without rotating and releasing his wrists? I do agree that trying to hit a draw via rotation is a bad idea. It requires and almost inhuman amount of timing but to say you shouldn't rotate or release your wrists is just wrong.

Iacas's video on the prior page is excellent for ingraining the proper impact position.

There's a lot of instruction on the net you can't get much better than Shawn Clement

[iacas]

If you're flipping your wrists its most likely because your timing is off. It's pretty apparent from the first pictures you posted. If you let the shaft and clubhead get ahead of your hands that's the "flip". Forget some of the prior insanity you've read and remember this, golf is a game of physics. It doesn't matter what swing theory you follow, you can't ignore the laws of physics. If you're flipping your wrists it's because your hands aren't leading the swing and it's starting with your transition. Your arms and weight shift are capable of generating tremendous power but they can't do the job without your wrists. Have you ever seen a baseball player hit a baseball without rotating and releasing his wrists? I do agree that trying to hit a draw via rotation is a bad idea. It requires and almost inhuman amount of timing but to say you shouldn't rotate or release your wrists is just wrong.

You're talking about two things here.

First is flipping - releasing the right-hand flying wedge (resulting in a cupped left wrist). Second is releasing the third accumulator - rolling your hands wrists, and arms over each other. I think we can all agree that "flipping" is bad. You should maintain the flying wedge and a flat left wrist through and after impact. As for the second, it's a common and not at all true misconception that you "should" rotate your wrists through the swing. The video you liked of my swing and impact position was done with no rotation - the clubface remained relatively square to the plane. Toe up when the shaft is horizontal on the follow-through is a closed position. Any rotation of the wrists here would require timing - why not remove it? There's very little power in the third accumulator and a whole heap of possible timing issues. Please watch the above video of Dave and Steve (I filmed it, woo!) for more of the problems "releasing" can cause - tipping out over the plane and causing pulls and slices for two.