Wrist pics???

[senorchipotle]

So if the right hand is at a 60* cup, that should naturally cause the left to be flat or maybe a slight bow...right?

yeah, something like that. the angle i'm talking about though so you don't get confused is if you lay your hand flat on a table and lift your fingers, the space between your hand and the table. for some people it's less, some more. mine's a bit less personally, but i play with a slight cup like i said.

[TN94z]

I understand. Thanks

[senorchipotle]

but more to the point, i don't focus on my left wrist at all. if you're going to focus on either wrist it should be making sure that your right wrist doesn't bow cause that's what causes the flip, high trajectory, fat shot, etc.

[TN94z]

Yes, that makes sense and that is what I was looking for. The reason that came to mind is because my very first teacher told me to have a swing thought of making sure the back of my left hand was facing the target at impact....which makes sense, but I guess it got me stuck on focusing on the left hand instead of the right.

[schigara]

Very good point. Until it becomes natural or automatic, I focus on the right wrist and making sure it is cupped which causes the left wrist to stay flat.

but more to the point, i don't focus on my left wrist at all. if you're going to focus on either wrist it should be making sure that your right wrist doesn't bow cause that's what causes the flip, high trajectory, fat shot, etc.

[Platypus]

I am able to gain a flat left wrist at the top and a bowed one at impact by exerting what could be called a rolling or twisting motion on the grip.

Take the club by the grip and hold it. Twist or roll the grip with your hands so the club face closes. If you roll on the way back it will likely result in a flat wrist and if you roll hard through impact (same direction) it will result in a bowed wrist you're looking for.

I've had decent results with this as my usual swing is inside-out swing with an open club-face. The move tends to close my club-face enough to straighten out or slightly draw my shot.

The other thing that helps me bow the wrist is focusing on hitting down on the ball through impact. On it's own it doesn't cause me to bow the wrist, but couples with the above "rolling" really gives me the bowed look.

I caution you in doing this however as it feels pretty contrived. My personal feeling is that the swing should get me to the proper wrist angle without me having to make adjustments with my hands. Also I've got no teaching credentials and am not a good golfer. I do swing on video on a near daily basis though, so I can tell you how to make your wrist look like it does in the books/magazines, but not if its a good thing.

[keiko]

Having a neutral grip to start then early setting of the wrists, will virtually eliminate the bowing or no bowing problem. No one really should worry about flat or bowed wrist, what one needs to do is make sure the wrists hinge(actually the left cocks and the right hinges). Early setting of the wrists is the way to go since one doesn't need to be worried about the wrists from that point on. Grip can and usually does determine proper wrist action

[TN94z]

Having a neutral grip to start then early setting of the wrists, will virtually eliminate the bowing or no bowing problem. No one really should worry about flat or bowed wrist, what one needs to do is make sure the wrists hinge(actually the left cocks and the right hinges). Early setting of the wrists is the way to go since one doesn't need to be worried about the wrists from that point on. Grip can and usually does determine proper wrist action

My swing (not counting yesterday when I was messing around) included an early hinge of the wrists and I never thought about whether it bowed or not. My problem has always been a slight scoop at impact.

[senorchipotle]

I am able to gain a flat left wrist at the top and a bowed one at impact by exerting what could be called a rolling or twisting motion on the grip.

and that's what causes you to be a 27 handicap. you never roll the wrists and roll them back. you lose power, and it's incredibly inconsistent. your grip should allow you to bring the club back and return it to the ball without manipulating your wrists, staying on plane and using the rest of your body.

[Platypus]

you never roll the wrists and roll them back.

I'm not suggesting he roll them back and forth. The rolling motion I suggest is in the same direction on the take-away and the downswing. Honestly its more a feeling for me than an actual motion. Going from a flat wrist at the top to a slight bow isn't that much movement. I would love for this to happen naturally for me, but much like the initial poster, I am unable to get my wrists to bow like the pros seem to without consciously manipulating my wrists.

I use a slightly strong varden grip with overlapping fingers. I've tried shifting that to weak and swinging the club all kinds of ways but definitely have the same trouble the poster seems to in getting the desired result which is a flat or bowed left wrist at impact. Along these same lines I am curious as to how the left fore-arm should behave during the swing. At address my left forearm's top (and by design the top of my left hand) point basically down the toe-line. Then at the top it points in the same vincity as a line coming out the top of my head would running parallel to my spine. I'm curious as to how early it should return to facing down the toe-line, which I assume is where the forearm and top of the left hand should be pointing at impact...?

[keiko]

When you early set, go to the top and on downswing, point the butt end of the club more down to the ball, this prevents scooping and provides incentive to lag

My swing (not counting yesterday when I was messing around) included an early hinge of the wrists and I never thought about whether it bowed or not. My problem has always been a slight scoop at impact.

[TN94z]

When you early set, go to the top and on downswing, point the butt end of the club more down to the ball, this prevents scooping and provides incentive to lag

Just to be clear, by "butt end" are you referring to the grip end?

[keiko]

yes, grip end.

Just to be clear, by "butt end" are you referring to the grip end?

[hafez]

i searched for those pics and found non
i tried to help but sry

[TN94z]

i searched for those pics and found non

No problem man....I think I am straight now. I just need to get it on camera and analyze what I am doing.

[tlazzol]

On 6/23/2010 at 9:14 AM, iacas said:

Let me ask you this - are you trying to do this based on Monday's Golf Fix?

Because I've found that people who BOW the left wrist at the top tend to cup it coming into impact. People that cup the left wrist at the top rarely maintain that position and most will bow it a bit coming down. The body tends to do the opposite of what you've done on the backswing. For example, if you over-flex the right elbow, the body will throw that angle away ("casting") pretty quickly from the top. The same tends to hold up (~90% of the time) with the wrist condition. If it's cupped, it'll bow coming down, and if it's bowed, it'll cup coming down. So be careful with this - very few people "bow the wrist at the top and then maintain that relationship all the way down." I've looked at nearly 100 videos specifically looking at this (since it was on Golf Fix, and I was curious if my memory was accurate) and it's really rare to bow/bow. It's almost always "bow/cup" or "cup/bow."

I've been reading through these older threads and came across this one a few days ago.  I remembered telling you how I used to cup my left wrist at the top when I was playing my best golf.  Went to range today and cupped the left wrist like I used to.  About half way through the bucket I was striking the ball more like I used to do, a sharp "snap" sound at impact.  Glad I found this topic!!! Thanks!

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