How to modify iron grooves?

[jsocas]

does anyone know how to modify iron grooves? I'm a weekend player that won't be competing in any PGA event and will not be affected by the new groove rule in any of the events I'll be playing for many many years. The problem is that all new clubs come with either V or modified U grooves. Personally I like the Mizuno MP 58 or the AP 2 but both have the new grooves. Is there any way to modify them to get the ball to hold the green?
Sorry if this has been discussed before, I didn't find a thread with this topic.

[Shorty]

  jsocas said:

Is there any way to modify them to get the ball to hold the green?

The new grooves didn't suddenly stop people being able to hold the green. Yours is a technique problem, not an equipment one. And...at a 7.5 (yeah, right), you shouldn't have any issues.

I don't see any pros on TV being unable to hold greens or create backspin this year.

[kfowler]

Not sure if this will work but you could try using a U groove file on a V groove club. I have a U/V file to sharpen my wedges. Seems like a lot of work convert from a V to a U. Not sure you'd be able to tell the difference anyway.

[sean_miller]

  jsocas said:

does anyone know how to modify iron grooves? I'm a weekend player that won't be competing in any PGA event and will not be affected by the new groove rule in any of the events I'll be playing for many many years. The problem is that all new clubs come with either V or modified U grooves. Personally I like the Mizuno MP 58 or the AP 2 but both have the new grooves. Is there any way to modify them to get the ball to hold the green?

Do you mean from the rough? You must be playing pretty hard greens, because you're already using the Pro V1 which is widely regarded as the most trusted ball in golf (gag).

[cody west]

at my home course (which is an extremely hard and dry piece of s*** with drainage problems on every fairway but never on the greens) the ball doesnt hold from the fairway. just saying some courses greens dont get enough water but at any other course but my home course i spin everything. to answer your question yes it can be done butif your a 7.5 you should just deal with it. seriously... it will make you a better ball striker

[jsocas]

Thank you all, certainly I'm talking about playing v groove irons from the rough. They usually come out with much less spin and here the greens are pretty hard for what is not very easy to have the ball stop unless you get it high in the air. Probably using a sharpner may make the trick although is going to take a little bit of work. If not I'll have to suck it up and deal with it as one of you sugested.

[Fourputt]

Learn to deal with it. It's not like this is some incredible new thing. Golfers managed to play for many years with fliers and low spin from the rough. Like any other trouble shot, you take it into consideration when planning your shot. The square groove is a relatively new development in the game, and switching back to a less forgiving club shouldn't be all that traumatic. I've been playing the AP-2 irons now for almost 2 seasons, and my handicap is right in the same general area it's been for 20 years.

[Forest]

Yeah, I played today and I was wondering about converting my 710's to U grooves. I wish I could, but I don't really think it's possible. I'm probably going to have to play a higher shot and let the ball land soft and roll out.

[jsocas]

  Fourputt said:

Learn to deal with it. It's not like this is some incredible new thing. Golfers managed to play for many years with fliers and low spin from the rough. Like any other trouble shot, you take it into consideration when planning your shot. The square groove is a relatively new development in the game, and switching back to a less forgiving club shouldn't be all that traumatic. I've been playing the AP-2 irons now for almost 2 seasons, and my handicap is right in the same general area it's been for 20 years.

Most likely I'll adapt as everyone else will. Most likely m handicap will not be affected either. Although I will consider replacing the PW from the AP2 set with a 48 degrees Vokey with the old grooves.

[kfowler]

I have to say I love when someone posts a question and people don't actually try and answer their question. If the man wants to try it, let him try it.

Back to the OP, I seem to recall that in a set not all the clubs were U grooves anyway. Haven't the longer irons always been V grooves. This could make your modifications a little more manageable. I would also think forged irons would be easier to change.

I'd suggest taking an old club and trying it first. Then take it to course and see if you can tell the difference.

[cody west]

  jsocas said:

Most likely I'll adapt as everyone else will. Most likely m handicap will not be affected either. Although I will consider replacing the PW from the AP2 set with a 48 degrees Vokey with the old grooves.

to be serious, the first day i got my first set with the new grooves i took my first shot with my pitching wedge and spun it back so dont be so quick to jump to changing the clubs. try giving them a chance first.

[trickymicky69]

I would say its more the lie, the ball and the contact rather than the shape of your grooves

[jsocas]

  trickymicky69 said:

I would say its more the lie, the ball and the contact rather than the shape of your grooves

Yeah, that's true. If you have a crappy lie with a lot of grass between the ball and the club face you're going to have a flier no matter what. The issue is when you have an in between lie, in that case the grooves come in play. And most importantly when you try to play a low pitch into the wind with a lot of spin to make it stop I would say that square grooves are a hudge advantage. I don't think grooves would be a problem if all greens would be nice and moist, but when you have hard greens they certainly are beneficial.

I know that playing with V grooves makes you play the course a different way and plan how to attack the pin in a different way, but that rule does not affect us until 2024, that's 14 years from now!! Sorry, it was not my intention to argue if using square or V grooves is appropiate or not. I think that whoever wants to keep using the old square grooves until the rule applies to the rest of the mortals should be able to do so whithout being juedged by the rest. My only intention with this thread was to find out how to modify the grooves in the new clubs for those who want to play within the rules, but with square grooves.

[jsocas]

I was reviewing the Mizuno irons and ALL MIZUNO irons including most of the old models (MP 30-32-33-57-62) are conforming with the 2010 groove rule. That means that with the modified U grooves they've been using all this time they have not been maximized the potential spin rate in the short irons. Am I wrong??

[colin007]

does anyone have an answer to the original question? where can he take his irons to have them changed to non-conforming grooves?

[jsocas]

  colin007 said:

Originally Posted by colin007

does anyone have an answer to the original question? where can he take his irons to have them changed to non-conforming grooves?

I think the easiest way is to use one of the groove sharpeners that you can buy on ebay. I don;t know of any golfstores that can do this. I'll ask the golf pro and see.

[delav]

I'm playing a set with V grooves, and I honestly haven't noticed a difference.

[glockg30]

  kfowler said:

Originally Posted by kfowler

I have to say I love when someone posts a question and people don't actually try and answer their question. If the man wants to try it, let him try it.

Back to the OP, I seem to recall that in a set not all the clubs were U grooves anyway. Haven't the longer irons always been V grooves. This could make your modifications a little more manageable. I would also think forged irons would be easier to change.

I'd suggest taking an old club and trying it first. Then take it to course and see if you can tell the difference.

kfowler thank you. if the op wanted the other answers on this topic he could have gone to snobby ass wrx forum. it cracks me up when plus 10 or worse handis act like they know it all.  sorry for the rant but i cant stand that either