had my pro tell me he didn't like my weight placement lol

[majorchamp]

So since joining this forum, talking with my buddy Deron, and listening in on some of the S&T; principles, I have incorporated what I can into my game this summer. Trying to make better contact with the ball was one of them, and getting my weight about 65 (left) / 35 (right) at address and at the top of my swing has definitely helped.

Was asking my pro a different question and he hated where my weight was..told me I was going to block everything to the right, etc... which is funny because if I miss a shot, its a pull.

He went on to say "I don't want you to sway..but get your weight back here "taps his right thigh". I listened to him as to not be rude, but definitely don't agree with those swing principles anymore.

Think I will continue on my journey. Might not adopt S&T; to a "t", but will try and absorb as much info as I can and apply as necessary.

[MJP]

really, weight forward at the start of the swing isn't a requirement to solid contact. just at impact. i struggle with shifting my weight to begin with so i do the same thing you do with the weight ratio. i honestly don't see why people feel the need to have the weight on the back foot on the back swing.

anyone know why people do this? does creating a weight transfer create more power than just weight forward?

[iacas]

anyone know why people do this? does creating a weight transfer create more power than just weight forward?

In terms of physics it's actually a slower way to swing. It's much easier to push your hips forward than to slide your whole body (basically) forward. Pros don't make contact with their head over their right foot - they make contact with their hips forward and their head over the center of their stance.

The weight still moves right in a Stack and Tilt swing because your chest and arms go right. Since the right knee straightens (not locks, but lessens the flex) and the left knee gains flex, it feels as if the weight stays left. And BTW, 55/45 is the recommended ratio, and 60/40 for the driver. Any more than that and you're probably getting your upper center too far forward, which means you'll have to move it to the right on the downswing. The weight should be controlled by the hips at setup.

[senorchipotle]

MC... between you and me, i liked your swing without the ''deep hands'' like you had posted previously. it favors a draw, but if i'm correct in saying that you're a tall fella which it seems you are, you don't need to hit a draw to get that extra distance. my favorite swing on tour is bubba watsons. if you notice, he actually opens up a bit and swings more ''down the line'' with less hip slide forward than the S&T;'ers. but all ''proper'' golf swings should have about 75% of the body actions that S&T; teaches. i like to open my hips up as quick as i can and leave a space for my club/arm unit(a la shawn clement) to go through. so i'm swinging more dtl instead of out, which i find minimizes my misses. i can play a pull fade all day with decent results, but i have trouble hitting those 10 yard push draws. they either don't draw at all, or they draw too much. you've got a great swing already, no need to reinvent yourself, imho.

[iacas]

if you notice, he actually opens up a bit and swings more ''down the line'' with less hip slide forward than the S&T;'ers. ... so i'm swinging more dtl instead of out, which i find minimizes my misses.

You can't swing "down the line." Not without some really, really awkward moves. Your swing is on an arc.

I don't know what this has to do with the topic, though.

[Shanks A Million]

And BTW, 55/45 is the recommended ratio, and 60/40 for the driver. Any more than that and you're probably getting your upper center too far forward, which means you'll have to move it to the right on the downswing. The weight should be controlled by the hips at setup.

Would weight farther left cause a steeper plane? I used to put most of my weight forward and keep it there, and I hit down too steeply.

You can't swing "down the line." Not without some really, really awkward moves. Your swing is on an arc.

Well, maybe if your arms were like Inspector Gadget arms, and could extend and retract... But an arc seems easier to me too.

[iacas]

Would weight farther left cause a steeper plane? I used to put most of my weight forward and keep it there, and I hit down too steeply.

Short answer:

- Yes if the "weight" is your upper center. - No if the "weight" is your lower center. Tucking the butt is not only a power move (extension) it's also a shallowing component that ties into "jumping" (also a power and shallowing move). G'night.

[senorchipotle]

You can't swing "down the line." Not without some really, really awkward moves. Your swing is on an arc.

well, the swing is on an arc, obviously. but i'm referring to the arm movement, specifically MC's in his videos in the other thread. the ''modern'' golf swing is more of a straight back, straight through arm movement. and yes, i'm well aware that it isn't a precise linear motion, it is the feeling to which i'm referring. where as S&T; is a in to out to in arm movement. so, while it isn't exactly why this thread was started, it's still related.

[Hollister]

Yo, MC, Pros passing seeing me practice S&T; tend to dispense one free tip all the time: Move your weight to the right side :D

All I am saying lately is "ah, yeah, thanks - I forgot to". Mentioning S&T; might be a bit too early - will wait for Charlie Wi to win his first tourney or Sean Foley admitting to teach a souped up version of S&T; to youknowwho.

Currently I think it does not make sense for me to ask a conventional Pro for assistance, since to always get hung up on _your_ S&T; oddities and try to _fix_ them - instead of trying to explain how to get into my desired P6.

[iacas]

well, the swing is on an arc, obviously. but i'm referring to the arm movement, specifically MC's in his videos in the other thread. the ''modern'' golf swing is more of a straight back, straight through arm movement. and yes, i'm well aware that it isn't a precise linear motion, it is the feeling to which i'm referring. where as S&T; is a in to out to in arm movement. so, while it isn't exactly why this thread was started, it's still related.

Actually, the S&T; golf swing has the hands moving on an inclined plane (which creates an arc). If you try to move your hands straight back or straight through, it creates a slower, less efficient way to swing as your hands are constantly adjusting to a new plane. You can look up more in the "deep hands" thread. It's admittedly a one-plane motion, BUT even a two-plane (steeper hand move) immediately begins moving in, up, and back. There's no linear part.

Since that's about hand path and not weight, let's get back to the topic.

[Arthur]

I am learning the stack and tilt swing and adapting the principles to fit how I swing the club. One example is that in order not to banana my driver I need to have my ball further back in my stance than my left heel as I have some hip problems which keep me from sliding forward enough on the driver to move my arc so that I am coming from inside.

The point is that sometimes we need to adapt our swings to fit us. I think to many teachers/coaches out there try to teach everyone to swing the club the was they do and it may not work that well for everyone. Ben Hogan found his swing through practice and an understanding of the golf principles. I wouldn't be surprised if his secret was that club face angle controls direction and swing path spin. Really wouldn't be surprised at all.

Anyway the point is that if pro tries to change something that works for you then it's time to find a new one regardless of your swing mechanics.
Heard a story that when Jim Furyic (sp) was interviewing for college one of the coaches talked about how he would "fix" his swing. After the guy left his Dad said You aren't going to go to that school.

[Jay-Bird]

A lot of club pros are anti S&T; because: the commercials are so freaking annoying.

[MJP]

The simple solution is the obvious one. Make a new commercial.

[iacas]

The simple solution is the obvious one. Make a new commercial.

I'm sure they might, but clearly the people responsible for the commercial feel it works and/or don't see the need to do another.

Doesn't have much to do with the topic, though.