Hunter Mahan's Five Moves

[mvmac]

Sound familiar?
http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/art...8758-1,00.html

[TheGeekGolfer]

Hmmm...I'll let you know after I finish the S-n-T book I just picked up today.

[motteler621]

that was pretty good, thanks for posting. I still dont get the not straightening the right leg on the backswing though. That was the main thing that helped me to turn my shoulders more for the proper rotation.

[mvmac]

  motteler621 said:

that was pretty good, thanks for posting. I still dont get the not straightening the right leg on the backswing though. That was the main thing that helped me to turn my shoulders more for the proper rotation.

I think this is where the terminology is different. When Foley says, "don't straighten the rear knee", he means locked. When a S&T; guy says straighten they are talking about gradually losing the flex of the knee.

[motteler621]

  mvmac said:

I think this is where the terminology is different. When Foley says, "don't straighten the rear knee", he means locked. When a S&T; guy says straighten they are talking about gradually losing the flex of the knee.

i see but I do notice foley not straightening the right leg as much compared to S&T; on the backswing

[mfgorilla]

Just one more indication that for all the noise made about the "Stack and Tilt" being a revolutionary swing it is really just sound fundamentals.

[iacas]

  motteler621 said:

i see but I do notice foley not straightening the right leg as much compared to S&T; on the backswing

Are you comparing actual S&T; swings or the feelings they're giving to people?

(Red line is setup, green is top of backswing - measured at different regions so that the numbers didn't overlap more.) Even some S&T; guys (Wi, Waite) don't straighten the right knee as much as many think. Some (Mike Bennett for one) straighten it more. Anyway, the only slide out of the five that's not really S&T; is the final one, with a little bit of the one before it thrown in (we don't advocate your ENTIRE body going left on the downswing).

  mfgorilla said:

Just one more indication that for all the noise made about the "Stack and Tilt" being a revolutionary swing it is really just sound fundamentals.

I agree wholeheartedly, but the other side is that unfortunately golf instruction has gotten away from those fundamentals and into a world where everyone takes their hands back straight, gets all their weight well to the right at the top of the backswing, and spins like crazy coming down.

[mfgorilla]

  iacas said:

Even some S&T; guys (Wi, Waite) don't straighten the right knee as much as many think. Some (Mike Bennett for one) straighten it more.

I've believed for a while that the term for the rear leg's movement should be "don't lock" rather than "don't straighten".

[saevel25]

I like his swing alot, i am not sure if he actually leans his whole body to the left in the downswing as he says, maybe thats just a feeling he gets, unless he does do it in a video of his swing.

[bpschmid]

Its simple math really...4 out of 5 pieces = 5% in Foley's world....

[iacas]

  bpschmid said:

Its simple math really...4 out of 5 pieces = 5% in Foley's world....

Frankly, I think the 5% thing was talked about too much. I'm not with some of those in the S&T; camp who want to say 80%. It might not even be 50%. If I had to guess, 20-30%... the thing that was annoying about that is that he tells people like O'Hair that he's not teaching him S&T; AT ALL like what he teaches is very different (he could have gotten 60% of the way there on his own and just borrowed 20% from Mike and Andy and arrived at a swing that's REALLY similar but not 100% exact), and that he had to put down Mike and Andy when they were so generous with their time in helping Sean to both put words to the things he was trying to describe to his students and to discuss the geometry and other pieces of the swing.

So please, let's put the 5% stuff to bed... Again, I'm glad Sean Foley teaches something that's AWFULLY similar to S&T;, and if he can stop bashing Mike and Andy while doing it, everyone (PGA Tour and average golfers) should benefit.

[sean_miller]

  iacas said:

Frankly, I think the 5% thing was talked about too much. I'm not with some of those in the S&T; camp who want to say 80%. It might not even be 50%. If I had to guess, 20-30%... the thing that was annoying about that is that he tells people like O'Hair that he's not teaching him S&T; AT ALL like what he teaches is very different (he could have gotten 60% of the way there on his own and just borrowed 20% from Mike and Andy and arrived at a swing that's REALLY similar but not 100% exact), and that he had to put down Mike and Andy when they were so generous with their time in helping Sean to both put words to the things he was trying to describe to his students and to discuss the geometry and other pieces of the swing.

Off topic: Sean O'Hair doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed.

[kennay92]

when i try it by his steps, it feels like my right leg straightens a shit ton hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[mvmac]

  kennay92 said:

when i try it by his steps, it feels like my right leg straightens a shit ton hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Harmonious]

  sean_miller said:

Off topic: Sean O'Hair doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed.

What makes you say that?

[uttexas]

Thanks for posting the video mvmac, good stuff. Gotta make it to one of their clinics sooner than later.

[Taggsy]

I've only just mastered Mahan's duff chip shot for use around greens when the pressure's on....

[mvmac]

  uttexas said:

Thanks for posting the video mvmac, good stuff. Gotta make it to one of their clinics sooner than later.

It was a great experience. Dave and the boys will in in the Phoeix area later this month.