"The Next Generation" DVD by Sean Foley

[iacas]

Discuss "The Next Generation" DVD by Sean Foley here.

[iacas]

My review can be found here: http://thesandtrap.com/b/training/next_generation_with_sean_foley_dvd_review .

[Danattherock]

Watching it now. Literally. I think it is well made and of high quality. Interesting that bluray and dvd come in the same pack. For a player of my ability that just started breaking 90 this past year, I would have liked more insights. This dvd is chock full of drills. Maybe I will find more value in the dvd after trying some of the drills. But as I lay here on the couch poking on my laptop, I wish for more insights into what constitutes a good golf swing. I would like some information on the proper position at the top of the backswing. Where exactly the club should be and how to get there. I would like insights on wrist cock, which one, how it effects my position up top. Stuff like that is what I hoped to learn about in this dvd. But as I said, maybe the drills will be of use. Time will tell.

-Dan

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Danattherock

Watching it now. Literally. I think it is well made and of high quality. Interesting that bluray and dvd come in the same pack. For a player of my ability that just started breaking 90 this past year, I would have liked more insights. This dvd is chock full of drills. Maybe I will find more value in the dvd after trying some of the drills. But as I lay here on the couch poking on my laptop, I wish for more insights into what constitutes a good golf swing. I would like some information on the proper position at the top of the backswing. Where exactly the club should be and how to get there. I would like insights on wrist cock, which one, how it effects my position up top. Stuff like that is what I hoped to learn about in this dvd. But as I said, maybe the drills will be of use. Time will tell.

The problem is you'll have no idea which "drill" to use based on what you're doing because you're really not given that information. You're not told "If you're doing x, try this drill until you can do y."

[cbrian]

I posted this on the main review

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I watched it and talk about disappointing... wow. Coming from a guy that seems very intellectual and seems to have a pretty vast vocabulary, his DVD was shockingly shallow. I know he said that it was meant for your average golfer and not for instructors, but looking back, it seems like that was after he watched the DVD himself and realized what he had made. I just have a very hard time thinking that this is what he wanted to make.

If you want a better understanding of some of the pieces that Sean talks about in the DVD, I would advise picking up the S&T; book.

[kurisu]

I have finally been able to get my hands on this and watch it.

Well, I believe that the spelling mistake at the back of the box sums up the quality of this production pretty well:

his approach to the golf swing has made him the most sought after techer in the world

This is something that has been put together in a hurry, to ride the wave of "it's Tiger's new coach", and because it's been rushed, it just lacks depth in many areas.

Now, the drills in themselves are good, and for me who cannot really have easy access to a flesh-and-bones Stack & Tilt instructor (yet), this DVD does help visualise some of the moves I saw in Bennett and Plumer's book. The problem is how Foley delivers the information. Sean ends most of the drill sequences with something along the lines of "do this and you'll get better". OK, but why? why is this or that move or this or that concept so important?

If this is the first contact people have with Stack & Tilt, well, they're going to be confused. People buy these videos because they hope to get something out of it that will quickly (not to say "instantly") improve the way they play golf. Unfortunately, instead of enlightenment, the average golfer will get clouded with more questions, or doubt on why or which drill can help their game.

Production wise, apart from the annoying "dramatic" music in the menus, you would have thought the producers would make sure you hear what the guy says throughout the whole feature. Again, unfortunately, it seems that things were on a tighter budget than the flashy website would make it appear; when Foley's head is down, the sound gets muffled; there are no quality slow motions that would help illustrate. Perhaps it's because Foley's execution of his own teachings is not as good as his ability to ad-lib with non-sense talk about how the universe is bound by your brain cells (or was it the other way around?).

I simply wish the guy would spend more than 5 real minutes on a subject as important as ball flight. Or that he would explain and illustrate why doing the drills are important and how they interact.

All in all: it could be so much better but unfortunately it's more of a commercial attempt than a real shot at changing golf instruction.

[sk golf]

The price is real steep for how basic the information is

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by sk golf

The price is real steep for how basic the information is

What information?

Some decent drills, but other than that, it's less than nothing.

[Supermariodave]

I love practice, have played for many years, I buy loads of stuff and I can find positives in all sorts of stuff. I love the one plane and stack and tilt debates, they work for many golfers and help many handicappers, you just work on the range and find something that suits you. justvgreatvdebates to get involved in, they broaden the mind when it comes to how to swing the golf club. I'm a Hogan man myself, grew up with his book, but for the life of me I'm finding the Foley DVDs almost unfathomable. Just seem to be a lot of quotes, pseudo science, and rehashed s and t mixed with Hogan. In fact it's annoyed me thinking how Foley refers to the supposed holy grail of plane, without actually using that word, and as if he's the first instructor to refer to the relevance and importance of plane, doh, Hogan pane of glass springs to mind. He justifies it by trashing two plane as 'traditional' , as if thats bad, and he's found the holy cure. Hogan discovered the grail of plane in the thirties, rehashed by Foley in the noughties. I was just perplexed all the way through, I like his swing, I like his drills, there are some great tips, but why he just mixes it with strange adjectives and stuff that doesn't make sense is beyond me. I suspect his talents are in real life coaching, working with a student and helping them work through their swings, but his stuff doesn't come through a DVD at all. At one point he actually advises you to go to see a swing specialist forgetting he fact you've paid for on on the DVD, and he hilariously says at one point ' there's a bit of swing stuff' to go through to actually hit the ball, after he's just blinded you with Newton, evolution, motor cortex and elastic energy. I've got the DVD for drills and to check it out. My advice is, don't bother. I'll leave you 85% of the balls direction comes from the face position at impact, and 50% of the face position comes from the grip. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.......can anyone explain that?

[thevisualizer]

Guys, thanks for the feedback. Do you know of any peak performance, visualization and unconscious condiditoning DVD's? Yes I know that it's very important to swing correctly but I believe that the mind training is what makes it all happen automatically. Do any of the PROS spill the beans on their pre-shot routine??