Why is it a GIR if you drive Par 4s or reach Par 5s in two?

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by Shorty

Gawd.  Give us a break.  I once tried to putt through a bunker with no lip from a tight lie.  I putted it into the bunker.  I then tried to putt it out of the bunker and left it short of the green.  I then holed  it from off the green.  Staitistcally, that's zero putts.  Just goes to show how misleading stats are.  I can guarantee that apparently great putting stats are usually a reflection of poor iron play, not good putting.

You can use stats any way you like, but if the pin is 10 feet awat from you and you putt it from off the green and take 3, statistically its 2 putts, but it means something else.  Crap putting.  Think about how and why you want to use statistics.  They are to help you to analyse your strengths and weaknesses.  They are not an end in themselves.

If you want a break, stop visiting this thread. I know I can do what I like with my stats, but I want to know how the pros on tour do it as it is them I am comparing myself to.

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

If you want a break, stop visiting this thread. I know I can do what I like with my stats, but I want to know how the pros on tour do it as it is them I am comparing myself to.

We know know how pros do it. It's very straightforward. There has never been any confusion or debate about it - until you presented your odd thoughts on it.  People gave you the correct information but you choose to ignore it.  Never mind that that information is akin to explaining to someone what a par is. The problem is that suggesting that it should be 1.5 if you hit a par 5 in 2 or a par 4 in one indicates a lack of understanding on your part of what statistics actually are. You are suggesting that hitting a par 5 in 2 cancels out hitting a par 4 in 3.  It doesn't work that way.

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by Shorty

We know know how pros do it. It's very straightforward. There has never been any confusion or debate about it - until you presented your odd thoughts on it.  People gave you the correct information but you choose to ignore it.  Never mind that that information is akin to explaining to someone what a par is. The problem is that suggesting that it should be 1.5 if you hit a par 5 in 2 or a par 4 in one indicates a lack of understanding on your part of what statistics actually are. You are suggesting that hitting a par 5 in 2 cancels out hitting a par 4 in 3.  It doesn't work that way.

You've confused me with the OP.

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

You've confused me with the OP.

So I have - sorry!!

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by Shorty

So I have - sorry!!

Haha! No worries.

[Patrick Gilmore]

Originally Posted by Shorty

Gawd.  Give us a break.  I once tried to putt through a bunker with no lip from a tight lie.  I putted it into the bunker.  I then tried to putt it out of the bunker and left it short of the green.  I then holed  it from off the green.  Statistically, that's zero putts.  Just goes to show how misleading stats are.  I can guarantee that apparently great putting stats are usually a reflection of poor iron play, not good putting.

You can use stats any way you like, but if the pin is 10 feet awat from you and you putt it from off the green and take 3, statistically its 2 putts, but it means something else.  Crap putting.  Think about how and why you want to use statistics.  They are to help you to analyse your strengths and weaknesses.  They are not an end in themselves.

I agree, This is why putts for GIR is more important then total putts.  My total putts is low because I have few GIR, chip adequately and putt well. My total putts per round  two years ago, didn't keep it last year, was 31.6.  My putts per GIR was 1.89. I rarely had a putt of less than 15 feet on a GIR.  It's hell to be old and a short hitter.  I once played from the red tees to test this, I shot 2 under par, 15-16 shots better than my normal score.
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[B-Con]

Back to the OP: The point of GIR is not to record how many holes you played well before getting onto the green, not to give points relative to how well you did.

[nleary9201]

Why don't you get 1.5 GIR for hitting a par 4 in one or a par 5 in two. Seems like this would make sense. Why isn't that stat calculation changed?

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

Why don't you get 1.5 GIR for hitting a par 4 in one or a par 5 in two. Seems like this would make sense. Why isn't that stat calculation changed?

There are separate stats for going for a par 5 in two and for reaching safely in 2. It's separate from the overall GIR stat because you can only hit one green in regulation or better at a time. A player hiting all the par 3s and 4s in regulation, then all the par 5s in 2 did not just hit 20 out of 18 greens in regulation.

[nleary9201]

I realize that - but mostly the only stat anyone ever refers to is GIR. I seems silly that you don't get more "credit" (if you will) for hitting a par 4 in one or a par 5 in two.  You are reaching the green "under" regulation.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

I realize that - but mostly the only stat anyone ever refers to is GIR. I seems silly that you don't get more "credit" (if you will) for hitting a par 4 in one or a par 5 in two.  You are reaching the green "under" regulation.

It doesn't seem silly at all. It's a question that requires a simple yes or no answer. You've either hit the green within the allowable strokes (to leave at least 2 putts for par) or you haven't.

[nleary9201]

But if you've hit it under regulation you have 3 putts for par.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

But if you've hit it under regulation you have 3 putts for par.

Do you know what "at least" means? You sound like Nigel Tufnel.

[nleary9201]

Definition: A statistical category on the pro tours and a popular method for amateurs and recreational players to rate their rounds.

To achieve a green in regulation, your ball must be on the putting surface in the expected number of strokes in relation to par. The par for a hole always includes two putts, so to achieve a GIR on a par-3, you must reach the green with your first shot (on the green in one, two putts for par). On a par-4, you must reach in two shots (on the green in two, two putts for par). On a par-5, you must reach in three shots. D

It doesn't say "at least" in the definition. Did you make that up?  By the way my amp goes to 11 and my guitar has great sustain. lol

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

Definition: A statistical category on the pro tours and a popular method for amateurs and recreational players to rate their rounds.

To achieve a green in regulation, your ball must be on the putting surface in the expected number of strokes in relation to par. The par for a hole always includes two putts, so to achieve a GIR on a par-3, you must reach the green with your first shot (on the green in one, two putts for par). On a par-4, you must reach in two shots (on the green in two, two putts for par). On a par-5, you must reach in three shots.   D

It doesn't say "at least" in the definition. Did you make that up?  By the way my amp goes to 11 and my guitar has great sustain. lol

From pgatour.com:

"The percent of time a player was able to hit the green in regulation (greens hit in regulation/holes played). Note: A green is considered hit in regulation if any portion of the ball is touching the putting surface after the GIR stroke has been taken . (The GIR stroke is determined by subtracting 2 from par (1st stroke on a par 3, 2nd on a par 4, 3rd on a par 5))."

If your GIR stroke was a putt, good for you, but still it's 1 GIR. Why don't you just track your eagle putts per ruond?

[nleary9201]

I know what the rule says  == I just think it doen't reflect the spirt if a GIR if you hit the green in one on a 4 par and 2 on a 5.  Thanks all-- just a thought.

[mck]

someday it's all gonna click and I'll hit 111% of my greens

[nleary9201]

there ya go.  Lets say you hit 4 par 5's in 2 and 1 par 4 in 1 in a round.  Shouldn't the stat reflect that you did "better" than hitting the par 5's in 3 and the par 4 in 2?.  1.5 would be the perfect number.