Stack and tilt Vs The Rotary swing

[goodguy96]

What Swing Is easier To play Good golf With? The stack and Tilt or The Rotary Swing? And Which one Takes less time to learn?  And also Tell me your personal Experiences Using these Different methods?

[sean_miller]

If I was starting over, I'd learn how to hit the ball hard, then add whatever elements are required (it's not like one swing is so different from the other) to gain consistency under pressure. Just my 2 cents.

[LankyLefty]

The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Tomboys]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

If I was starting over, I'd learn how to hit the ball hard, then add whatever elements are required (it's not like one swing is so different from the other) to gain consistency under pressure. Just my 2 cents.

I think Jack Nicklaus would agree with you.

Years ago when I first took up golf, I read his book, Golf My Way (I think it was this one).  At any rate, he states that newer golfers should start by learning how to hit the ball hard (long).  He suggested that it's easier for a power-player to learn control than a control-player to learn power.

He continues to say that given a choice, since most amateur/recreational golfers tend to be crooked anyways, he'd rather be long and crooked as opposed to short and crooked or something to that effect.

[LankyLefty]

Originally Posted by Tomboys

He suggested that it's easier for a power-player to learn control than a control-player to learn power.

I totally agree with this. Getting the coordination to swing hard at a ball and hit it on the center of the golf club is the first thing I learned. I learned It on my own. I hit huge slices but I hit it hard. When I took my third lesson my instructor made literally 3 adjustments and had me hitting the ball long and strait. He shortened my back swing, squared my shoulders at address and adjusted my grip. Now I need to work on my aim control but in my first round this year I think I shot about 120 with maybe 15+ penalty strokes and in my last 3 nines I was +8, +6 and + 9. If you can hit it hard and on the center of the club simple adjustments can make a huge difference in your game.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by LankyLefty

I totally agree with this. Getting the coordination to swing hard at a ball and hit it on the center of the golf club is the first thing I learned. I learned It on my own. I hit huge slices but I hit it hard. When I took my third lesson my instructor made literally 3 adjustments and had me hitting the ball long and strait. He shortened my back swing, squared my shoulders at address and adjusted my grip. Now I need to work on my aim control but in my first round this year I think I shot about 120 with maybe 15+ penalty strokes and in my last 3 nines I was +8, +6 and + 9. If you can hit it hard and on the center of the club simple adjustments can make a huge difference in your game.

The reason to start hitting hard are many. Players who can really load and unload properly, then compress a ball, never seem to have to ask how to hit the ball farther, which is hard to explain on the internet. They just have to learn how to hit straighter, which is easy to explain.

@ the OP A "Rotary Swing"? A non-S&T; swing is called that since when?

[LankyLefty]

RotarySwing.com is an online video bank from a guy named Chuck Quinton. I don't see it as being as much a total swing approach as S&T; but there is a lot of useful stuff and all from the same pro. So id check out and try out some of the free stuff on youtube and if you feel like it Jives with you go for it but its more like lessons on video then it is S&T.;

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by LankyLefty

RotarySwing.com is an online video bank from a guy named Chuck Quinton. I don't see it as being as much a total swing approach as S&T; but there is a lot of useful stuff and all from the same pro. So id check out and try out some of the free stuff on youtube and if you feel like it Jives with you go for it but its more like lessons on video then it is S&T.;

Oh, so this wasn't an "S&T; v. Everything Else" thread? Sorry, my bad!

[mdl]

RE: Hitting it hard then straight

I totally agree with this.  The best player on my college baseball team absolutely crushed the ball from both sides of the plate.  He was definitely a better natural hitter than me, but we were about the same size and I was stronger than him in the weight room.  Even in batting practice, I never hit a ball that looked like his hits coming off the bat.  He had this huge swing but still hit .513 his senior year (he was like a 10th round draft pick playing DIII).

I asked him once how he learned to hit the ball so hard.  His answer?  "When I was little, my brother tossed me batting practice and only ever told me to try to hit it further."  Obviously later he learned some of the mechanics that weren't totally natural, but those were add-ons to a whole naturally learned set up focused on crushing the ball.  I could never "add-on" 10-15 years of figuring out how to hit the ball as far as my body could.

I started golfing seriously 4 years ago and have refused to hit the ball short but straight.  I now carry my driver 250-260 and my 4i 200-210, depending on the day.  Now I've finally started trying to dial it back a bit and figure out how to hit the ball straight enough to play in the 70s instead of the 80s, but I'm so glad I went this direction, where I know that even as I dial back and learn to hit the ball straighter the power to roll it out to 300 yards on my nice hard SoCal fairways is already in there.

[mvmac]

Originally Posted by goodguy96

What Swing Is easier To play Good golf With? The stack and Tilt or The Rotary Swing? And Which one Takes less time to learn?  And also Tell me your personal Experiences Using these Different methods?

Both swings have similar pivots, centered.  Difference in what the rear knee does.  I'd suggest trying out a few S&T; pieces, make some swings keeping the weight centered/slightly left and then press into the ground with the left foot/flex the left knee on the downswing.

[iacas]

If you live near Chuck, you might consider a "Rotary Swing."

If you can get instruction from someone who really knows the S&T; pattern, I'd consider it.

If you're not near either... then.... find something you like and believe in, and which makes sense to you from a nearby pro for in-person instruction.

[goodguy96]

Originally Posted by iacas

If you live near Chuck, you might consider a "Rotary Swing."

If you can get instruction from someone who really knows the S&T; pattern, I'd consider it.

If you're not near either... then.... find something you like and believe in, and which makes sense to you from a nearby pro for in-person instruction.

Originally Posted by mvmac

Both swings have similar pivots, centered.  Difference in what the rear knee does.  I'd suggest trying out a few S&T; pieces, make some swings keeping the weight centered/slightly left and then press into the ground with the left foot/flex the left knee on the downswing.

Thanks, I`m definitely Going to stick with the Stack and tilt method! I was Just  Experiencing   a Slump  In my game and Started to question the S&T; Method ..... It Makes Sense To stay Centerd on the ball through out the swing to make A Divot In   front Of the ball....  haha, maybe i should Actually Read the S&T; book  All the way through In stead of just skimming it and taking  little Bits of the swing?  Also, How high Should i Tee the ball up with the S&T; when using the  driver?

[mvmac]

Originally Posted by goodguy96

Thanks, I`m definitely Going to stick with the Stack and tilt method! I was Just  Experiencing   a Slump  In my game and Started to question the S&T; Method ..... It Makes Sense To stay Centerd on the ball through out the swing to make A Divot In   front Of the ball....  haha, maybe i should Actually Read the S&T; book  All the way through In stead of just skimming it and taking  little Bits of the swing?  Also, How high Should i Tee the ball up with the S&T; when using the  driver?

Figure out what you need.  What is the one miss you hate and want to change?  Check out the sections in the book that talk about this miss.  Also evaluate how well you do fundamental #1, hitting the ball first and see what the book has to say about that.

I tee my ball med-high, equator of the ball is high on the face.