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since you get a taylormade discount you should consider RAC TP Blades..

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Very nice! How are they working for you? I was thinking about going with the classic MP-32s but I work for Adidas so I get a big discount on Taylor Made so I really cant decide.

I play with MP32s and can tell you, that for me, the Taylormade RAC MBs felt better. If I had not already made the investment, I would have those, instead.

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haha awesome yeah im in maryland so the wind up here isnt so bad. so you suggest the tp line or the rac blade i mean i can get a fully customized set of new r7 tp for around $440

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thanks yeah i havent tried out the rac mbs yet but i will definitely give them a shot now, i appreciate the help. so how often do you play

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its up to you..i can tell you that the r7 TP is the most played taylormade iron on tour..but sergio and a couple others hit the TP blades..do you work the ball alot?
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Driver --Titleist 907D2 10.5* - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Blueboard
F.W. --Titleist 906F4 15.5* - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Blueboard
Irons --Mizuno MP-57 - Project X 6.0Wedges --Titleist Vokey Spin Milled 54* 58* - Dynamic Gold X100Putter --Cameron...

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thanks yeah i havent tried out the rac mbs yet but i will definitely give them a shot now, i appreciate the help. so how often do you play

every day haha

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F.W. --Titleist 906F4 15.5* - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Blueboard
Irons --Mizuno MP-57 - Project X 6.0Wedges --Titleist Vokey Spin Milled 54* 58* - Dynamic Gold X100Putter --Cameron...

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Im just starting to really getting into working the ball so i dont do it alot but when i want to or when i want to practice it i can. i just looked on my employee site and i dont think i can get the rac mbs on my discount on the r7 tp and the burner tp

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i'd probably play the r7 tp. it sounds like its a good fit for you. forgiving..but workable.
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Driver --Titleist 907D2 10.5* - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Blueboard
F.W. --Titleist 906F4 15.5* - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Blueboard
Irons --Mizuno MP-57 - Project X 6.0Wedges --Titleist Vokey Spin Milled 54* 58* - Dynamic Gold X100Putter --Cameron...

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Not to offend anyone out there, but if you can't work a cavity back, you have not practiced it much. I realize that you obviously cannot work a CB as much as a blade, but how much do you really need to work the ball? I have been as low as a 1.4 HDCP and currently range about a 5 to 6. The forgiveness is a big thing with me. I have been playing the same CB's for 15 years and have had great success with them.

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Not to offend anyone out there, but if you can't work a cavity back, you have not practiced it much. I realize that you obviously cannot work a CB as much as a blade, but how much do you really need to work the ball? I have been as low as a 1.4 HDCP and currently range about a 5 to 6. The forgiveness is a big thing with me. I have been playing the same CB's for 15 years and have had great success with them.

im a 1.5 handicap and try to shape every shot i hit one way or another, i find my ballstriking improves when i draw a shot up in my mind and execute it
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Driver --Titleist 907D2 10.5* - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Blueboard
F.W. --Titleist 906F4 15.5* - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Blueboard
Irons --Mizuno MP-57 - Project X 6.0Wedges --Titleist Vokey Spin Milled 54* 58* - Dynamic Gold X100Putter --Cameron...

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what's funny about every single golfer i know is that they all talk a big talk yet they can't swing for crap. Let's get real : you might have a good handicap but that doesn't mean you're a good golfer.

Most golfers aren't good athletes and no matter what kind of iron they're using, wheter it's a blade or cavity back, they're not going to do anything because they are physically and mentally limited to performing only so well.

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what's funny about every single golfer i know is that they all talk a big talk yet they can't swing for crap. Let's get real : you might have a good handicap but that doesn't mean you're a good golfer.

Gee, aren't you Mr. Sunshine? I'm not sure who your comment was directed at or why you felt the need to share that opinion, but until you become a "good golfer" yourself, I'm not sure where you have much room to talk.

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I have a set of Titleist DCI 990s that are sort of cavity-backed, but more shaped in a blade design. However, what's slightly odd is that for a blade, they're cast instead of forged (from 1999 or something)

Does anyone know any cast blades on the market? Since forged clubs constantly bend out of their proper lie angle due to the force of impact, wouldnt it be more to the golfer's advantage (cost wise) to play cast blades? I assume they dont bend out of shape over time the way forged clubs do, and thus wouldn't need to be re-tweaked all the time

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I have a set of Titleist DCI 990s that are sort of cavity-backed, but more shaped in a blade design. However, what's slightly odd is that for a blade, they're cast instead of forged (from 1999 or something)

http://www.kittyhawkgolf.com/golf_eq...rons-p-64.html They happen to be cast blades...

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I have sets of all three types and they all work well, or course blades look better in the bag but I'd rather have forgiveness as most of the time I'm just playing so-so. Blades are great if you're on top of your game, but how often does that happen?

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If you have time to practice (and assuming that you have solid fundamentals), then blade might be a good choice
my preference would be something like MP57, something in between as I want something that feels good and yet not so penal like a blade :)

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I voted Forged Cavity because Blended sets like I use weren't an option on the poll. I now play the Titleist ZB irons and love the fact that I still have the help of a cavity in my long irons, but also now enjoy the superior soft feeling of a blade in my short irons. I went from the 695CB's to the ZB's and while the difference isn't huge, its distinct especially in the scoring irons. I would imagine that most single digit handicappers hit their short irons well, so I don't really see the downside to a blended set. Seems to me that its the best of both worlds.

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what's funny about every single golfer i know is that they all talk a big talk yet they can't swing for crap. Let's get real : you might have a good handicap but that doesn't mean you're a good golfer.

I am guessing you are young man that is limited in the different people he meets. Maybe a student ready to embark on this world. To make a bold statement like that, you must have something to back it up with. Almost all of my friends are athletes, and quite good golfers. Heck, we played with 4-5 Bucs that live in our neighborhood and most of them are very passionate about their golf. To say someone "isnt going to do well, because they are mentally limited" is a good one. It clearly shows how limited you really are.


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