driver nicks ball

[buckeyekid1996]

okay say....

Bob addreses the ball. Takes a swing. tops the ball and it goes a few feet still on the teeing grounds. whats the call?

[buckeyekid1996]

would bob take a 2 stroke penalty and retee it?

[LuciusWooding]

Bob gets laughed at by his playing partners, swears loudly. Bob plays the ball as it lies, with no penalty, but the stroke counts.

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by buckeyekid1996

would bob take a 2 stroke penalty and retee it?

Just wondering why you would think this. Why would you be penalised for this? Why would you retee it.

You could also do a Google search to find out answers to simle questions like these.

Also - there are holes on some poorly maintained courses where it would be very hard to define what is the tee and what is not.

In another thread you tre wondering why you don't get replies.

In that post, about your swing, it was because you are at this stage so far from being at the point where there would be anything to reply, except "Get a lesson".

The issue is that you are just posting very short questions which come across as being abrupt and a little rude. Try saying "please" and "thanks".

[buckeyekid1996]

Just wondering why you would think this. Why would you be penalised for this? Why would you retee it. You could also do a Google search to find out answers to simle questions like these. Also - there are holes on some poorly maintained courses where it would be very hard to define what is the tee and what is not. In another thread you tre wondering why you don't get replies. In that post, about your swing, it was because you are at this stage so far from being at the point where there would be anything to reply, except "Get a lesson".  The issue is that you are just posting very short questions which come across as being abrupt and a little rude. Try saying "please" and "thanks".

its rude because i was asking the rule on a rules forum?

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by buckeyekid1996

its rude because i was asking the rule on a rules forum?

Shorty tends to be a bit short and abrasive at times.  Don't worry about it.  Lucius was correct.  The downward motion of the club with the intent to hit the ball is a stroke.  The ball is played as it lies, hitting his 2nd shot.

If he had nicked the ball with a practice stroke when it was on the tee, there would be no stroke (because he didn't intend to hit the ball), and no penalty because the ball is not in play until it is put in play with a stroke.  He would only have to replace it if it came to rest outside of the teeing ground (the only consideration is that the ball must be played from within the teeing ground).  The teeing ground is not the entire tee box on a typical course.  It is a clearly defined rectangle, bounded by the front and outside edges of the tee markers, and it extends back 2 clublengths.

[buckeyekid1996]

Originally Posted by Fourputt

Shorty tends to be a bit short and abrasive at times.  Don't worry about it.  Lucius was correct.  The downward motion of the club with the intent to hit the ball is a stroke.  The ball is played as it lies, hitting his 2nd shot.

If he had nicked the ball with a practice stroke when it was on the tee, there would be no stroke (because he didn't intend to hit the ball), and no penalty because the ball is not in play until it is put in play with a stroke.  He would only have to replace it if it came to rest outside of the teeing ground (the only consideration is that the ball must be played from within the teeing ground).  The teeing ground is not the entire tee box on a typical course.  It is a clearly defined rectangle, bounded by the front and outside edges of the tee markers, and it extends back 2 clublengths

ok thanks. are you allowed to hit the ball of the ground in the tee box? if i wanted to could i take a 2 stroke and tee it up again? sorry for the questions just trying to get this straight.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by buckeyekid1996

ok thanks. are you allowed to hit the ball of the ground in the tee box? if i wanted to could i take a 2 stroke and tee it up again? sorry for the questions just trying to get this straight.

If you didn't intend to hit the ball, then there is no penalty and you can bring the ball back to the teeing ground and tee it or not as you wish.  If you intended to hit the ball and just nicked it, then you play it as it lies.  If it was me, I'd play it as it lies.  You can then at least be playing your 3rd from somewhere well down the fairway, instead of starting from scratch with 2 wasted strokes.

If you choose to retee it and hit again from the tee, then you can do so under Rule 28 by declaring the ball unplayable, teeing up in the teeing ground, and playing your 3rd shot.  You would still have one stroke for for the first swing, one penalty stroke for proceeding under Rule 28, and your 3rd stroke hitting from the tee again.

[Dormie1360]

Originally Posted by Fourputt

If you choose to retee it and hit again from the tee, then you can do so under Rule 28 by declaring the ball unplayable, teeing up in the teeing ground, and playing your 3rd shot.  You would still have one stroke for for the first swing, one penalty stroke for proceeding under Rule 28, and your 3rd stroke hitting from the tee again.

Assuming a ball isn't lost, I could see where Rule 28 and Rule 26 would cover all the other instances where you could replay the stroke under the rules.  My question is, do you have to declare the ball unplayable in the above example or does rule 20-5 by itself give you the right to do this?  Or does 20-5 just tell you how to replay the stroke under another applicable rule?

I always thought, not sure from where, that a player always has the option to play under stroke and distance.  I guess I assumed it came from 20-5.  But now I'm not sure.

[xilez]

lets say if in the process of waggling your driver and are setting it down, knock ball off the tee... is it a stroke or a re tee?

[Fourputt]

Assuming a ball isn't lost, I could see where Rule 28 and Rule 26 would cover all the other instances where you could replay the stroke under the rules.  My question is, do you have to declare the ball unplayable in the above example or does rule 20-5 by itself give you the right to do this?  Or does 20-5 just tell you how to replay the stroke under another applicable rule? I always thought, not sure from where, that a player always has the option to play under stroke and distance.  I guess I assumed it came from 20-5.  But now I'm not sure.

20-5 doesn't apply aside from the fact that he is essentially taking the stroke and distance penalty, therefore he has to follow the procedure set forth in 20-5. But the penalty is assessed under Rule 28. I'm assuming that he made a stroke at the ball, and barely knocked it off the tee. Therefore he has a ball in play, and the only way he can re-tee the ball is if he declares it unplayable under stroke and distance. [quote name="xilez" url="/t/56423/driver-nicks-ball#post_689910"] lets say if in the process of waggling your driver and are setting it down, knock ball off the tee... is it a stroke or a re tee? [/quote] It is not a stroke because he did not intend to strike the ball and the ball is not in play until he has played a stroke from the tee. If the ball has been played from the teeing ground (meaning that he has already played a stroke to put it in play), then if he causes it to move, it is one penalty stroke and he must replace the ball before making his stroke. If he does not replace the ball, it becomes a two stroke penalty.

[Rulesman]

Originally Posted by buckeyekid1996

ok thanks. are you allowed to hit the ball of the ground in the tee box? if i wanted to could i take a 2 stroke and tee it up again? sorry for the questions just trying to get this straight.

If you are playing your first shot from the teeing ground then you have the choice of playing from a tee, from a 'tee' by making a lump on the ground (like Laura Davies) or simply playing off the ground. This also applies if you are playing a provisional or reteeing for a lost ball. If you are reteeing you don't have to tee up in the same way or in exactly the same place as you did first time.

If you ball happens to land on any teeing area (including the one you have just played from) then you must play the ball as it lies. You cannot tee it up.

You may at ANY time decide to play the ball from where you made your last stroke under Rule 27-1a

a . Proceeding Under Stroke and Distance

At any time, a player may, under penalty of one stroke , play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played (see Rule 20-5 ), i.e., proceed under penalty of stroke and distance.

Except as otherwise provided in the Rules , if a player makes a stroke at a ball from the spot at which the original ball was last played, he is deemed to have proceeded under penalty of stroke and distance .

[WWBDD]

Originally Posted by LuciusWooding

Bob gets laughed at by his playing partners, swears loudly. Bob plays the ball as it lies, with no penalty, but the stroke counts.

Bob may have to drop his pants as well.

[Dormie1360]

Originally Posted by Rulesman

You may at ANY time decide to play the ball from where you made your last stroke under Rule 27-1a

a . Proceeding Under Stroke and Distance

At any time, a player may, under penalty of one stroke , play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played (see Rule 20-5 ), i.e., proceed under penalty of stroke and distance.

Except as otherwise provided in the Rules , if a player makes a stroke at a ball from the spot at which the original ball was last played, he is deemed to have proceeded under penalty of stroke and distance .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dormie1360

I always thought, not sure from where, that a player always has the option to play under stroke and distance.  I guess I assumed it came from 20-5.  But now I'm not sure.

That's where it is..... 27-1a, and as Fourputt said, 20-5 just explains the procedure.

Thanks.

[Shorty]

This is getting more and more absurd.

Next we'll need asurance that if we hit a putt 2 inches from the hole we can take it bake to where we hit it from under penalty of stroke and distance.

To the OP - let's put it simply why would you want to add a stroke to your score and go backwards?

Hit the drive and then hit it from where it ends up if it's not out of bounds.

If it's knocked off the tee at address, retee it for free. You have not swung yet.

[buckeyekid1996]

This is getting more and more absurd.  Next we'll need asurance that if we hit a putt 2 inches from the hole we can take it bake to where we hit it from under penalty of stroke and distance. To the OP - let's put it simply why would you want to add a stroke to your score and go backwards? Hit the drive and then hit it from where it ends up if it's not out of bounds. If it's knocked off the tee at address, retee it for free. You have not swung yet.

because im a beginner and i hit the ball way better of the tee

[Dormie1360]

Originally Posted by Shorty

This is getting more and more absurd.

Next we'll need asurance that if we hit a putt 2 inches from the hole we can take it bake to where we hit it from under penalty of stroke and distance.

To the OP - let's put it simply why would you want to add a stroke to your score and go backwards?

Hit the drive and then hit it from where it ends up if it's not out of bounds.

If it's knocked off the tee at address, retee it for free. You have not swung yet.

Hi Shorty,

Sorry,  I was just trying to learn something that was brought up in the discussion.  Next time I'll start a new thread.