What would you do if you found the Thief?

[BuckeyeNut]

I read the first 3-4 pages of this thread and can't read anymore........I'm amazed with the finders keepers mentality of golfers these days.

[LuciusWooding]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNut

I read the first 3-4 pages of this thread and can't read anymore........I'm amazed with the finders keepers mentality of golfers these days.

The next 5 pages consist of the community righteously bashing the crap out of those with that mentality, and the OP getting banned hardcore. SPOILER ALERT: it looks like it was Patrick57 again.

[parsnates]

I read the first 3-4 pages of this thread and can't read anymore........I'm amazed with the finders keepers mentality of golfers these days.

Agreed. I can only imagine what other behaviors these guys can rationalize. My only hope is I come across one as brazen as Conroy is pretending to be (I hope). Then I could slap the piss out of him with a clear conscious

[BuckeyeNut]

Originally Posted by LuciusWooding

The next 5 pages consist of the community righteously bashing the crap out of those with that mentality, and the OP getting banned hardcore. SPOILER ALERT: it looks like it was Patrick57 again.

That's comforting to know that quality people still play golf.  LOL........  I mean sheesh.....Guys like Zipazoid who have an avatar of themselves wearing a suit posing with Jack,  then making finders-keepers posts like a $2 wh0re......makes me cringe.

on a positive note?

I have only lost 1 club since 2006 at my current home course/public course, but it was returned to the pro shop.  I'm a lefty, so that probably helps....LOL

fun side note:

I used an 1890 silver dollar as a ball mark for many years.  I still have it, but don't use it anymore.   Anyway.........One day, I must have missed my pocket as I attempted to slip it in after putting and it must have dropped on the green without me noticing.   It had to drop on the green in plain sight..........  I realized I lost it and doubled back 1 hole later and before I could even get close enough to say anything to the guys behind us, a guy yells.... "you looking for an old silver dollar?" YES, there are still honest people!!

PS..

I've been playing really bad golf lately, so I should bring my Morgan Silver Dollar out of retirement!!  The sad thing is I'm putting great......so I'm not sure what luck she will bring.  My problem is tee to green.....

[Gresh24]

Guys, there were by my count 2 people that had the "finders keepers mentality" - Al (Patrick) and TitleistWI.  zipazoid was ONLY ACKNOWLEDGING that there are some people out there like that, (which is impossible to argue) so people need to take more responsibility and not "lose" clubs.  You don't "lose" clubs and no one can "steal" them.

Is anyone really shocked that every person is not a "quality" person with integrity!?  That there just may be a dishonest person out there?  What world are you guys living in?

Either many just don't understand the points being made, or they just choose to blow it way out of proportion.  Just because someone thinks a portion of the onus is on the person that looses a possession, and that is a good way to increase your chances of never seeing that possession again, does not mean they endorse stealing or steal themselves.

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by Gresh24

Guys, there were by my count 2 people that had the "finders keepers mentality" - Al (Patrick) and TitleistWI.  zipazoid was ONLY ACKNOWLEDGING that there are some people out there like that, (which is impossible to argue) so people need to take more responsibility and not "lose" clubs.  You don't "lose" clubs and no one can "steal" them.

Is anyone really shocked that every person is not a "quality" person with integrity!?  That there just may be a dishonest person out there?  What world are you guys living in?

Either many just don't understand the points being made, or they just choose to blow it way out of proportion.  Just because someone thinks a portion of the onus is on the person that looses a possession, and that is a good way to increase your chances of never seeing that possession again, does not mean they endorse stealing or steal themselves.

Actually, that is not entirely true.  From Page 2, post 21:

"I would assume so.

This thread reminded me of a situation a few years ago - I was playing a course by myself & after finishing one hole I went into the nearby woods to do a little ball-hawking. Nobody was behind me - I had the place to myself. Well, I found a putter in the woods, and a left-handed Ping B-60 at that! (I'm left-handed)

Did I turn that club in? No. Why? Because obviously someone chucked it into the woods in frustration & didn't bother to go looking for it.

That's not even a 'lost' club. That's a rejected club. Mine."

That post is why many of his comments following were seen by some as attempts at justification.  If that isn't basically the definition of "finders keepers" then I don't know what is.  He justified it at the time by assuming the story behind how it got there, when in fact, he had no idea why it was there.  His assumption is certainly a strong possibility, but its no guarantee, and regardless, the right thing to do would still have been to turn it in.

Now, I still would have disagreed with his points (placing blame on the victim instead of the theif, etc, etc) but I thought this story made his position a lot clearer.

[Gresh24]

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

Actually, that is not entirely true.  From Page 2, post 21:

"I would assume so.

This thread reminded me of a situation a few years ago - I was playing a course by myself & after finishing one hole I went into the nearby woods to do a little ball-hawking. Nobody was behind me - I had the place to myself. Well, I found a putter in the woods, and a left-handed Ping B-60 at that! (I'm left-handed)

Did I turn that club in? No. Why? Because obviously someone chucked it into the woods in frustration & didn't bother to go looking for it.

That's not even a 'lost' club. That's a rejected club. Mine."

That post is why many of his comments following were seen by some as attempts at justification.  If that isn't basically the definition of "finders keepers" then I don't know what is.  He justified it at the time by assuming the story behind how it got there, when in fact, he had no idea why it was there.  His assumption is certainly a strong possibility, but its no guarantee, and regardless, the right thing to do would still have been to turn it in.

Now, I still would have disagreed with his points (placing blame on the victim instead of the theif, etc, etc) but I thought this story made his position a lot clearer.

That was one justification of keeping a club in a specific case, but he clearly stated multiple times that he would not keep a club left greenside, or on the course (like the thread generally talked about).

[newtogolf]

Still a finders keepers mentality - he could have turned it in and if no one claimed it (because original owner did actually discard it), he would have owned it legitimately after 30 - 90 days.  His original post about finding and keeping the putter was a bit boastful which isn't really indicative of someone who doesn't condone the behavior of finders-keepers.

Originally Posted by Gresh24

That was one justification of keeping a club in a specific case, but he clearly stated multiple times that he would not keep a club left greenside, or on the course (like the thread generally talked about).

[parsnates]

Guys, there were by my count 2 people that had the "finders keepers mentality" - Al (Patrick) and TitleistWI.  zipazoid was ONLY ACKNOWLEDGING that there are some people out there like that, (which is impossible to argue) so people need to take more responsibility and not "lose" clubs.  You don't "lose" clubs and no one can "steal" them.  Is anyone really shocked that every person is not a "quality" person with integrity!?  That there just may be a dishonest person out there?  What world are you guys living in?  Either many just don't understand the points being made, or they just choose to blow it way out of proportion.  Just because someone thinks a portion of the onus is on the person that looses a possession, and that is a good way to increase your chances of never seeing that possession again, does not mean they endorse stealing or steal themselves.

Glad to see you define it as stealing, since that's what it is. In my mind, there are no extenuating circumstances. Even the putter in the woods. You don't know that it was "rejected" by the owner, even if it is the more likely circumstance. Even if some moron threw it in a fit of rage, its not about him. Its about me not keeping something that's not mine. Rant aside, I've got to say my experience has been overwhelmingly the other way. The people I've encountered are more likely to sympathize with the poor schmuck who lost his club (most of us having been there ourselves) and are very interestedin trying to get the club back to its rightful owner.